So guys, with int ds after balance patch, what's the best choice of weapon for him? My guildies said it's magic zhen, but with zhen mastery which boost melee based on magic atk, look like temlar's blunt, so I think it must be melee zhen.
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So guys, with int ds after balance patch, what's the best choice of weapon for him? My guildies said it's magic zhen, but with zhen mastery which boost melee based on magic atk, look like temlar's blunt, so I think it must be melee zhen.
right cuz breath, healt drain and wffs use melee
I suggest for max RA zhen, should work on the aoe, u know, aoe dmg is considered ranged
OP trolololQuote:
Originally Posted by Hjinm
Max health zhen is crap don't listen to u3podcku either lolQuote:
Originally Posted by u3podcku
You could either get a magic or melee zhen(Chimera zhen would be ok I guess). Magic will make your breath/wffs/health drain stronger but I think it will give you less melee than when you'd use a melee zhen. Int Sage Zhen mastery is similar to Blunt Mastery, which also required you to use a melee % weapon to boost the melee attack AFTER it's converted from magic attack (Magic attack becomes melee attack with Blunt Mastery/Zhen Mastery (Sage)).
Melee zhen = lower skill damage, higher auto attack damage
Magic zhen = higher skill damage, lower auto attack damage
Don't listen to people unless they support the advice they give with additional info.
I'm not 100% sure about what I said, I've never tested this (I did at templars but not at the new INT Sage), It's an assumption based on how koreans use(d) to program this game.
salty ppl everywhere lol
1- he is not new
2- his guild mates already answered his question but he decided to ignore it givin random assumption
if u been playing this game instead of afking HK ud notice that, after the balance patch, basically u dont need any melee/ra/hp/magic to be able to farm
the mastery skill take care of most of the damage you are going to do (for istance im full vit char hitting creeps 30-40k with an HP weapon aswell)
so im guessing his "question" is related to PVP, and since the PVP of a int sage is 100% on skills and not autos, why the **** would u go melee zhen?
is this game really that much dead? i mean iv been away for a couple of years and took me a couple of days to figure this shlt out..
You've not got it figgured out lmao, you've got no clue what you're talking about. If you're full vit and you're a (dekan)dragon knight, sure you do good regular attack/auto attack damage since your zhen mastery boosts your melee from your max. HP, in your case I think you're just a boosted animal and in shine's case, his intel/magic attack boosts his melee attack since he mentioned he's a dragon sage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hjinm
If you think you don't need melee/ranged/magic, think again, if you'd have tried the new mirror maps you'll see that without a proper amount of melee/magic/ranged and with a proper amount I mean 40K + at least you don't do crap vs. those mobs, unless you're a full agi pred since they scale on agi rather than any form of attack.
Now I don't mind people not knowing sh1t but stop pretending you know while actually you just got back and haven't even figured half of the things they changed around here out lmao, crappy troll.
what did i do to deal with such retards today?
1- the message was not clearly for you but for the other guy so no need to be salty
2- dont talk if u dont test things
as a full vit savage with HP duals u hit mobs enought to farm easy all maps beside new maps
as a full vit beserker with HP polearm u hit mobs enought to farm easy all maps beside new maps
as a full vit guardian with HP sword u hit mobs enought to farm easy all maps beside new maps
as a full vit defender with HP mace u hit mobs enought to farm easy all maps beside new maps
i have to go on?
before balance patch was literally impossible something like this, while now is pretty viable
dont belive me? try to go and test it, if without mastery u hit 200-300, with it u get a min of 3k to even (as told before) 20k regs
why the fuk would u bring up "farming" in new maps? those maps doesnt even matter if u are full str,int,agi,vit,cocumbers,watermelons u need 70+DD with SD, shlt ton of HP and many skill to lvl 7 and even if u mangage all that u still probably need to party up.
and for stay IT ur main saltyness again comes for the new maps (without no fking reasons) so how u think an INT SAGE with a melee zhen would do up there.. put ur stupid ego aside and make more sense in the next messages, i might be a troll, but clearly with more knowledge than ur fake humble ignorance
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Originally Posted by Hjinm
I suggest you make a full vit wizzard, they farm really well coz they can't die I hear (full vit + reraise, mobs never mob you down! easiest 115+50) - drops mic
please, keep write bullshlt, keep posting pigeons, i beg of you, keep going
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Good luck getting 115+50 with that build, it's disgustingly retarded. You've got the efficiency of a potato while grinding in upper and you'll never make it in other maps since you'll do 1k dmg on mobs with 100-200k hp. That you want to grind untill you're 80 years old IRL, I don't care but I'm not gonna read a topic and watch you advice the same thing to other players who don't want to undergo the same pittyful fate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hjinm
came back to pick up that mic?
are u brain damaged or u just play stupid?
1kdmg? cant u see the dmg?
efficency of a potato? what the fuk it even means?
do you think i have not any other weapons beside that?
are u actually that fking stupid?
cant u see the onyx polearm on my fast bar?
the HP pole and screen are just to prove how stupid you actually are, since I tested and proved my words, you are just here wasting my time
do I really need to go in new maps and show u with more screens how i hit them 40k and 3-4 shot them?
do us a favor drop that mic and go home, or kill urself, whatever is faster
Chillax guys, we are here to give those questions a reliable info regarding what are the best between an melee or Magic or a full/melee Zhen type, why dont you guys post the differences based on your actual test instead of throwing salt to each other? with CONS and PROS and let the person who needs your advice will choose, at least you give the best shot, arguing non stop cant help the players choosing right info.
Finally found a good advice here. Why everyone is so salty nowadays? It's time to calm down and help your co-players in a nice way.Quote:
Originally Posted by pimoh
oh i definely agree, i brought on the table actually tested materials in my messages and u can understand what is the way to take, i get mocked abt that.
sure my language is a bit colorfull but the infomations are there
I actually tested all the things related to new maps, but im not really happy to share them with such community, i will see about it
to recap for the guy that opened the topic:
1- u dont really need a max melee/hp/ra/magic weapon to farm ur way up to 115+20
2- ur best bet for PVP is magic zhen since ur skill hit and require magic attack
3- if u cant find a magic zhen go for HP one since WFFS comes up every 10 sec, while u HK u will not auto attak (i have a int ds belive me)
in HK ur dekan will be busy with breath,healt drain,ffs,wffs,healt to mana and zhen counter if u really want some extra dmg
4- get vit+int twins u'll able to 1shot all mobs, and at lvl 101 when u get WFFS bring it to lvl 3 with ses +ases and u can 2shot any upper room with an HP zhen
Build: full intel dragon sage
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100% chance to AOE at lvl 7 with splitter, make Evolve 6/7 too and you'll have (with Suction lvl 6) 6% hp abso with 100% chance to AOE with your regular attacks. Every attack will hit all mobs around you and you'll heal full from it.
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Zhen mastery (from Dragon Sage) Works like blunt mastery now, my guess is that it transforms your magic attack to melee attack with a certain factor and then uses your intel (1000 intel is 1x boost factor for example) to boost the converted magic attack with a said 1 or 2 or 3x multiplyer. Also all defensive skills like Critical immunity and Impenetratable work with Intelligence to boost your defense, my guess is this is FLAT defense meaning if you get 1k intel and you have impenetratable lvl 7 (200% from intel = applied to defense) you get 2000 flat pdf, you'll easily tank mobs while being full intel.
full intel build with melee zhen gives you:
- Max melee and maximal damage on your AOE auto attacks
- automatic heals with every auto attack due to suction
- enough flat pdf to grind anywhere beside the new dungeons
- crits will deal 0 damage on you as well (beside pvp, dhans invenom will still eat you alive)
Making your char full vit or using a % hp weapon is retarded, it slows down your grinding process, it's the most inefficient way of grinding, it would be more usefull to go full str on a dragon sage than get a vit build with vit weapon.
As for pve/pvp, my friend used a dragon sage with +12 rings, int set +14 etc. he used a mixed upg zhen of 2.0 and 3.0 parts I think, having 80% melee and 80% hp, not sure about the DD. He was able to solo some of the mirror dungeons (due to the AOE auto attacks and abso in evolve). He used to crit ppl 30-40k regular hits in pvp but you need OP gear and upg weapon for that.
Breath, health drain, wffs etc are overrated, your regular damage outdamages those skills by FAR (DPS), specially in pve coz you have 100% chance to AOE.
oops, I dont think this thread gets so many replies like this, thx a lot guys. first of all, I would say my goal is going demonic with my priest (pure pve), i'm owning a int sage on isen, using chimera acc and eye/ear which gives me 490 int/vit and some magic atk, glacial set, chimera charr with 50% HP and 38% dd, 38k HP selfbuff (not any talisman, medal, costume, etc), probadly with marea lvl6 I got 65k, but my priest cant maintance it. so I think @sniper is right, farming with HK running I should go for melee charr for zhen counter and normal aoe with splitter, wffs is nice cuz it's based on magic atk too (sadly im just lvl100 right now xD). Im just confusing about it's pdef, although crt immune, impenetration and maga guard all based on int, mobs in demonic still crit me 15k+ lololol. nvm guys, I'll test it myself with magic and melee charr later, stop making war :P
If you go to the new maps, your pdf/mdf etc. is ignored thus why those mobs hit you so hard. The only way to stay alive is to:Quote:
Originally Posted by shine6490
1: get good DD, which is hard on ISEN so you gonna need a party with rumirs/priests
2: get as much attackspeed and melee as you can, this will increase your damage and thus your healing through absorption
3: get as much HP as possible, you need the HP to tank mobs when you rebuff or when your HK derps
if you use chimera charr:
- 50% hp
- 45% melee
- 38% dd
- 35% attackspeed
- 200 vit/int stone of your choice
I have to mention that going INT sage on ISEN isn't the best way to go if you'd ask me, you'll have a hard time lvling in the new dungeons there since you cant stack enough DD or HP to tank the hits when you're not getting heals from AOE Suction. If you want to play a dekan there it might be easier to go Dragon Knight, you can get a glacial weapon with 50% DD and 68% hp. Dragon Knight's zhen mastery converts HP to melee so you'd have good sustain (full vit) and good melee. The only sad thing is you only have 1 AOE (Zhen Counter) rather than aoe's on every auto attack like Sages have.
yea I once think about vit DK, it's zhen mastery boost melee based on vit and HP, which means it has both good HP and melee, but as you said, the worse thing is it doesnt have aoe regular atk, so I'd go sage, for more fun, I'll try to find the best way xD
Wrong. Pdef is not ignored and it get taken in count a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by snipers334
not really smart idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by shine6490
as you state u are PVE char, why would u go with a weapon that is mainly pvp and cost u monthly maintain?
get a glacial with fixed stats, those are the best for PVE
careful with inpenetrable, since dekan is famous to bug out on HK, u will have some delay time on evolve, in that time you will not have all the Pdef your get from it.
as I already stated, you will not hit many AA if you gonna use skills, so if you go with the stupid melee build, dont put those skill on the HK at least.
I guess you will probably regret that all of ur money went on melee gear after you get WFFS :)
enjoy the bad advices
Hi im full int sage and i solo sunken with mag zhen only feathers +6.
And i cant understand why go vit berseker,go full str and you oneshot mobs in upper why use 2 hits?
@Hjinm There's nothing wrong in asking questions, Only the Stupid and ignorant one's dont ask questions. However you are right about the MASTERY thinggy on each class. Any Vit Class with HP weapons can do damage's with a "MASTERY ALONE", like for example an AGI PREDATOR does 6-10k normal attack (not criticals) with level 7 Katar Mastery.
@Thread Starter i think you better goes MAGIC WEAPON coz it's Zhen Mastery of a dragon sages depends more on int and magical attacks. Same with DragonKnight's Zhen Mastery which boost the DK's Melee base on its MAX HEALTH POOLS. I tested VIT DK with Melee and HP zhen both does same damages but with DFFS, FFS, HP the HP zhen is much better.
Zhen's Mastery of Dragon Sages additionals damages depending on your INT and MAGIC attack so even if you equip Melee Zhen which boost your Melee Attack by a few the boost isn't noticeable because you are an INT BUILD and Low Magic Attack. The same with DK's Zhen Mastery i noticed that whenever i buff first the Zhen Mastery before the Blue Defence (boost your VIT by 60%) i noticed my Melee Attack is 5-10k short of melee than if i buff the Blue Defence before the Zhen Mastery of DK's.
Have you tried a melee zhen too with same % and see if there's a difference? I'd say a melee zhen would probably result in more damage or doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peacefull
He's just stupid, thinks that vit build with hp weapons is the way to go for guards or giants or whatever while it's highly inefficient lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Peacefull
Hmm have you tried getting all buffs beside zhen mastery at your sage and then buff zhen mastery while using a magic % zhen and after that switch to a melee % zhen?Quote:
Originally Posted by RHBW154337
well its simple, i tested out full str and full vit, i prefer to hit 10k less and have 50k hp more than the other way aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Peacefull
for example switching fire twins (300str) boost my dmg from 20k to 22k regs; 90% of the dmg of a zerk with polearm comes from raw WA
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if i follow the example of this retard of sniper, i will end up with few HP and completely useless in a melee PVP situation.
If I had an upg weapon, Id probably go str.
*as u can see i dont have any problem 1 shotting upper lol
lol you not oneshot with regular attk only skills and must use 2 regular hits thats less xp.
But is you just standing there to look good so fine go full vit.
you just have a screen under ur fking eyes were I 1 shot mobs and u say i dont.
wtf is wrong with your brain.
do me a favour, type down ur nick so I can poke u around with my weak damage
I thought you are talk about Dekan's build, why a Giant came into this topic, sorry im a littlebit confuse of what info you are refering to a person asking about this thread "WEAPON for INT DS" about? maybe just stick to the topic people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hjinm
I tought we were talking with human beings, not down syndrome childrenQuote:
Originally Posted by pimoh
go read all the story, count to 10, answer the topic
He's a speshal kid, wants us to build vit sages, guardians, defenders, zerkers coz vit classes with HP weapons are OP... xDDDDDQuote:
Originally Posted by pimoh
I cant answer since im no expert in dekans and since in PH until I migrated here, I never played dekan class so I cant comment about it, the only know the old days for dekan is pure vit DK and that was before changes to the skill of DFFS. Well to give a little info of what I know about DK Sage is to have a weapon with magic/melee and some hp, but since theres no magic attack to upgrade weapons available so I guess a DK sage relies to its INT stat build instead of pure Vit thats what I know since DK sage's skills like breath relies to magic attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hjinm
(P.S: a little other topic: how to add profile pics here?)
and here a brain damaged person that suggest feather+12 with int set+14 and all lvl7 skills to newcomers.Quote:
Originally Posted by snipers334
I stated more than one time my suggestion are for pve, new comers, that can rely on something cheap while they gather better equip, ignorant fuk.
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Originally Posted by pimoh
then on the left menu search for "edit avatar"
u can there upload ur pic, it has to be 100x100
Click on your own name on your own post --> view profile ---> click next to the little pencil ''more'''--> Edit profile pictureQuote:
Originally Posted by pimoh
Int Sages have been changed with the update yea, the koreans seem to have 2 things they focus on while balancing
1. Everything became self buffed so you're forced to pvp in partys
2. Melee classes (as in melee range) got a multiplier that converts the classes main stat into melee attack so they can farm/PVP with auto attacks, look at dragon knight zhen mastery (hp = melee) dragon sage zhen mastery (magic attack gets converted to melee) or dhans katar mastery which converts agi to melee attack.
When you pvp with a dekan, it's not DFFS or WFFS or FFS or Breath or Health drain that does the damage, in pvp you will maybe hit 20-40k with these skills, considdering people easily reach 300k hp that's nothing. Those skills are (when rohan was made, to my knowledge) intended as skills to give the finishing blow, thus why the FFS based skills and Health drain ignore damge drop, it's flat burst damage to finish of a low hp target. The Koreans seem to want to go back to this, if you look at pro vit dekans like BonQuiQui(he quit) I think he reached like 130-140k melee while being full vit, making his auto attacks deal most of the damage, using dffs/ffs as finishing blow. Intel dekans have the same strategy, converting magic attack to melee attack and using breath + hp drain to finish somoene off. The way the new zhen mastery works might be similar to blunt mastery from templars. Althrough I'm not sure about the exact formula and principle they used so calculate this conversion, I'll be looking into this because it might work like the old blunt mastery(I'm not sure but eager to find out).
Back in the day blunt mastery was a set buff, this was later changed to an aura like buff. To enlighten this for new players:
Old blunt mastery: This buff used to convert magic attack into melee attack in one step, meaning it checked how much magic attack you had, then checked how much intel you had and then used a certain mathematical formula to transmute a certain amount of magic attack to flat melee attack. Once the buff was casted, the formula was executed and that was that. If you used a magic % weapon before you casted blunt mastery you were able to pump up your magic attack, which resulted in a much higher melee attack after conversion. AFTER you casted blunt mastery you'd switch to a mace and then all the converted melee attack was boosted by the % said on the melee mace.
New Blunt Mastery: This blunt mastery is the one that's currently applied, It doesn't work in one step, it keeps checking how much magic attack you have while the buff is active instead of just checking once, while casted. This results in a much lower melee attack since it's not possible anymore to use a % magic weapon first to boost your magic attack. as soon as you remove the weapon and switch to melee blunt mastery will notice a decrease in magic attack and adjust the converted melee attack accordingly.
New Zhen mastery: Someone mentioned before that casting Blue defense(60% boost in vitality) on a dragon knight AFTER he casted zhen mastery resulted in a lower overall melee attack than when he'd cast zhen mastery after blue defense, this means that Dragon Knights zhen mastery seems to be a 1 step buff that only check your HP at the conversion (while casted). Meaning that if you'd party a rumir + priest and pop the all stats buffs + marea's grace and then buff zhen mastery, you'd be able to stack your melee attack a lot higher, even when you leave the party and those buffs dissapear. I've not tested this at any dekan but the same thing could be possible for Zhen Mastery from dragon sages.
(thanks for the pic tip) yeah no problem about blunt mastery since I only playing templar since then but only Zhen mastery I dont have Idea how it works and since in this patch and based to your info, zhen mastery is almost like blunt mastery of how method it does convert a stat to a melee, so the question is how you and Jhinn arguing about it if he keeps telling your statement wrong same to yours against him? we cant conclude whose correct, well i you mind to post a screen shot using your DEKAN class if you have one to show how true? and enlighten and to clear that arguments.?
I'm not sure how the conversion rate (magic/melee) works, I'll test this when I have time to gear a 115 dragon sage up with a melee and magic zhen and see what's best. What I said above is an assumption (not about blunt mastery im 100% sure about that, but about zhen mastery it's still speculation)Quote:
Originally Posted by pimoh
My argument with Jhinn was about playing pretty much every class full vit and using hp weapons(that's how he plays rohan). It did not really have much to do with this topic beside the fact that Jhin suggests to use HP zhen and build on a dragon sage, which is stupid (not as stupid as building a vit + hp weapon berzerker tho), but still, it's very inefficient. You either go Melee or Magic zhen and get splitter 7 (100% chance to AOE) and build full intel on it.
I see it now, well let the person to test himself in his dekan to see from himself and let him tell us whose telling the truth. . . . just sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by snipers334
If you want to grind in the new maps like sunken, that's what you gotta get. Newcommer or not, no point in telling him retarded fairytales of going full vit since that will bring him nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hjinm
1. You want to grind in the new maps? Prepare to donate a kidney and buy yourself maxed gears. Unless you have some powerfull friends and you can leech 24/7 since those mobs will eat you, the only way to stay alive is to build sustain HP + DD and a lot of damage and hp abso so you heal with every AOE. I bet your VIT zerk with HP weapons is doing great in sunken solo doesn't he :)?
2. You want to grind in maps like upper and such? Meaning you'll want the fastest xp per time unit, going full vit (except for dragon knight) does not make you kill things fast. The mobs there are super easy and with a dragon sage on full intel build and lvl 6 impenetradable you'll get enough flat PDF and critical damage is absorbed. I've grinded in upper with characters that had 5k hp and survived just fine, all you need is AOE dmg + absorption, not vit and HP. A class that has 100% AOE auto attacks from like lvl 70 ish? why the hell would you go VIT to wait for WFFS and hope you one shot mobs every 10 ish sec? while you could be one shotting mobs with every auto attack lmao.
Just because something ''works'' doesn't mean it's the best/most efficient way to go. If you want to lvl up and not spend years and years (which is what you'll be doing with your vit berserker) you'll build and grind the way I described.
I don't think he's gonna want to waste his money to try and build his dragon sage vit with a vit weapon and after that switch to a melee and magic zhen with intel build. I'll not be testing VIT/HP Dragon Sage either because it doesn't need testing, it's plain retarded. What I will test(in the future) is the difference between a magic and melee zhen and if it's possible to use the old korean ''staff buff'' trick(ofc. a zhen in this case lel).Quote:
Originally Posted by pimoh
your stupidity its an insult to this race, u should hang urself, u cant read or understand what is told to you by ppl with far more experience and knowledge than u
u keep giving bad advices quoting things that has not been said from anyone but you
u also speak lies about the game mechanics, abt what ppl say and ur own thoughts.
for istance I never said he has to go full vit
or the lies about new maps mob ignoring pdef/mdef
etc
now take your time for your slow brain to read my message, cuz it will be the last one, Im sick of trying to help little douche like you that have nothing to do in their life beside being retard.
1- a new comer ask his doubt about INT SAGE going melee weapon
2- i suggest that he should go magic weapon since his skills are based on int/magic
*bro tip, the zhen mastery say "ADD DMG FROM YOUR MAGIC ATTACK" not "CONVERT MAGIC TO MELEE" as templar, so no, it doesnt work the same way
3- i also suggest that for farming and lvling up it DOESNT MATTER if his weapon is melee/hp/ra/magic since with the new mastery system you get enought dps to farm
(this got confirmed by a couple of foes in this topic also)
4- i get poked by ur stupidity
5- reacting to your poke, i go on explaining how, even if IM FULL VIT with a FULL HP WEAPON i hit enought to 1shot mobs for exp
(this is to prove my statement point number 3)
the discussion should have been over here since I provided the help the new comer wanted, and I proved with screens not only words, that im right.
but stupidty persisted.
6- you claim i dont hit enought (even tho i posted screens) and that i cant farm in new maps
(that is not the issue of the topic since I gave a suggestion on what better suit his weapon + how to reach it)
7- i guess my fault here when i fell for ur stupidity and answer you again telling you that first, you are wrong on the assumption that PDEF/MDEF is ignored in those dungs, and 2nd that the only way to farm in new maps is using an upg weapon or have godlike gear since no matter if you are full str/int/vit you gonna die in few shots over there.
8- you bark again like a wild dog keep bothering me about things i already explained and proved bringing to the offence nothing but your stupidity, adding now that if i want to reach 115+50 I cannot do that with my current build and will take 50 years
9- well its not a surprise that you are wrong again, at my current lvl upper mobs give me about 0.00120% while sunken 0.00170%, the kill ratio/ respawn time tho is quite different since infact in upper rooms, you can find more mobs, faster respawn and faster kill ratio
Its quite clear how the strategy of the game works, get to 115+15ish by farming normal maps, then swich to new maps around that lvl, where your conquer passive will give you a good ammount of SD and make those map viable.
your suggestions were:
1- get a melee zhen with abs (when a full int sage like he is will get full HP every time he uses healt drain)
2- get best int armor + 14 (abt 15k rps?)
3- get best accessory (abt 50k rps?)
4- go farm in new maps
To a new comer lvl 100 sage that is not quite sure how melee/magic works
Im pretty sure you have some melee glacial zhen with dd+abs that noone want to buy from you
or any other excuses for you to scam new people with all those fake wrong advice you give away
you got enought of my attention, ill not gonna answer here anymore since I provided enought information to the open topic for his problem
dont argue with brainless people. they always have the same repertory "retarded. idiot and whatever trash have in his mind" dont waste your time with this forum toxic camper. Thats why I block him and only I can see is the white space between you and him lol.Quote:
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