Upgrades Poll

[White Arctic Fox]

So I want to have a poll about what people think about upgraded weapons and about what the next tier should look like. Feel free to share ideas or thoughts below.




Yes I know, No I don't care about your salt.

[RBNXD]

Dhans and HalfElfs are hitting pretty much hard compared to Giants and Mages that have been left behind, Dekans are still to be seen, Guards are fine, Elfs and Trinities still to be seen.
Last batch of Upgrds went a little too far with the damage output they are doing right now so I have to say new Tier with lower stats but higher defense with specific weapons for that specific build or class.

[sunnyangel]

I spoke to karazy and I told him yesterday.... you raise the bar and there is no turning back. Resell the 3.0s and leave it at that, balancing the game through upgrade stats is just stupid and its what got us into this mess in the 1st place. I mean fk there is a reason why you are not in charge of balance and your korean overlords are.


Just look at what happened some goof at playwith USA was like "oh agi dhans are so underpowered lets give them a new upgrade with broken stats" then agi dhan buff comes out and now you are like WHAT DO WE DO NOW PANIC MODE ACTIVATED! Same with the rofl 90% range attack on xbow.


Simply put playwith USA has 3 jobs:

1: Keep the lights on
2: Sell the things people want so people dont resort to using the black market
3: Keep us entertained


Now if you want to talk about balancing items from a game economy standpoint.... thats something the community should comment on.

[Gank83]

I spoke to karazy and I told him yesterday.... you raise the bar and there is no turning back. Resell the 3.0s and leave it at that, balancing the game through upgrade stats is just stupid and its what got us into this mess in the 1st place. I mean fk there is a reason why you are not in charge of balance and your korean overlords are.

Kinda hilarious coming from someone who begged to merge Jin into Ran and talked about how awesome upgrades were and how much better the game would be if we all played on a ****ty upgrade server lol.

Upgrades were bad. Upgrades 2.0 were worse. Upgrades 3.0 where they moved even further away from giving them uniform stats was just downright idiotic.

What we do know about this game...first of all...PW is never going to backtrack on sold items and nerf them...so whatever bull**** is in the game right now we are stuck with...enjoy the ridiculous crit rates and attack speed on everything. Second...they ****ed over Jin and turned Isen into a bigger cash grab than an upgrade server, so they've pretty much lost any credibility on running a server that isn't massively pay to win or ruined by cash shop items.

What would I suggest for a fix? Merge Isen into Jainus and rename the server "Mistake." Start a new server named "Not A Mistake" with xp rates and drops like Jin, forging rates like Ran, and a cash shop/in game scrolls more like Isens, and allow people to transfer characters to the new server along with items excluding crones, weapons(maybe just load in level 100+ characters with a 30 day temporary weapon decent enough for farming so we aren't stuck with a bunch of weaponless high levels unable to farm weapon parts lol), and upgrade rings so everything people transfer over is in game drops or walters/talismans available in periodic events and there isn't any other pay to win cash shop gear wrecking the game. Problem solved...we have a server where xp is a bit more friendly, farming and forging is useful, and a second job isn't required to fund enchanting any gear. Allowing people to get on a server that isn't garbage and not have to start from scratch again would be the only way for them to make the idea of a new server even mildly appealing to anyone, and the only way they could salvage any credibility as a company who wants to put a decent game out there and not just continuously rape your bank account.

As far as upgrades going, they should sell upgrades 4.0 that are based on onyx base item and even more OP than 3.0, but only sell them on "Mistake" server.

Of course...PW would never implement this idea, because its a good idea, and they hate good ideas.

[sunnyangel]

Kinda hilarious coming from someone who begged to merge Jin into Ran and talked about how awesome upgrades were and how much better the game would be if we all played on a ****ty upgrade server lol.

Upgrades were bad. Upgrades 2.0 were worse. Upgrades 3.0 where they moved even further away from giving them uniform stats was just downright idiotic.

What we do know about this game...first of all...PW is never going to backtrack on sold items and nerf them...so whatever bull**** is in the game right now we are stuck with...enjoy the ridiculous crit rates and attack speed on everything. Second...they ****ed over Jin and turned Isen into a bigger cash grab than an upgrade server, so they've pretty much lost any credibility on running a server that isn't massively pay to win or ruined by cash shop items.

What would I suggest for a fix? Merge Isen into Jainus and rename the server "Mistake." Start a new server named "Not A Mistake" with xp rates and drops like Jin, forging rates like Ran, and a cash shop/in game scrolls more like Isens, and allow people to transfer characters to the new server along with items excluding crones, weapons(maybe just load in level 100+ characters with a 30 day temporary weapon decent enough for farming so we aren't stuck with a bunch of weaponless high levels unable to farm weapon parts lol), and upgrade rings so everything people transfer over is in game drops or walters/talismans available in periodic events and there isn't any other pay to win cash shop gear wrecking the game. Problem solved...we have a server where xp is a bit more friendly, farming and forging is useful, and a second job isn't required to fund enchanting any gear. Allowing people to get on a server that isn't garbage and not have to start from scratch again would be the only way for them to make the idea of a new server even mildly appealing to anyone, and the only way they could salvage any credibility as a company who wants to put a decent game out there and not just continuously rape your bank account.

As far as upgrades going, they should sell upgrades 4.0 that are based on onyx base item and even more OP than 3.0, but only sell them on "Mistake" server.

Of course...PW would never implement this idea, because its a good idea, and they hate good ideas.

Its funny how you are still mad that I told them to merge. The merge was necessary if they ever wanted to balance the game. Its not my fault that playwith had new plans like making new upgrades and then taking class balance into their own hands with upg 3.0 just to get royally fked.

Also isen is already your not a mistake server they removed the stat cap so you can go make a guardian with onyx sword and sd/chimera/onyx and go ham.

The funny thing is that you didnt disagree with anything that I said.

PW is never going to backtrack on sold items and nerf them...so whatever bull**** is in the game right now we are stuck with...enjoy the ridiculous crit rates and attack speed on everything.

Translation: Sell upgrade 3.0s because backtracking is an even bigger mistake.

[OrdinoArcalis]

Its funny how you are still mad that I told them to merge. The merge was necessary if they ever wanted to balance the game. Its not my fault that playwith had new plans like making new upgrades and then taking class balance into their own hands with upg 3.0 just to get royally fked.

Also isen is already your not a mistake server they removed the stat cap so you can go make a guardian with onyx sword and sd/chimera/onyx and go ham.

The funny thing is that you didnt disagree with anything that I said.



Translation: Sell upgrade 3.0s because backtracking is an even bigger mistake.

you're just plain retard strellan.



Nothing new when you happen to talk about rohan, though.

[kenji91]

The Game is already unbalanced enough, So the fair thing to do is to resell the weapons so more player can get their hands on them insted of just a choosen few.

[White Arctic Fox]

I spoke to karazy and I told him yesterday.... you raise the bar and there is no turning back. Resell the 3.0s and leave it at that, balancing the game through upgrade stats is just stupid and its what got us into this mess in the 1st place. I mean fk there is a reason why you are not in charge of balance and your korean overlords are.


Just look at what happened some goof at playwith USA was like "oh agi dhans are so underpowered lets give them a new upgrade with broken stats" then agi dhan buff comes out and now you are like WHAT DO WE DO NOW PANIC MODE ACTIVATED! Same with the rofl 90% range attack on xbow.


Simply put playwith USA has 3 jobs:

1: Keep the lights on
2: Sell the things people want so people dont resort to using the black market
3: Keep us entertained


Now if you want to talk about balancing items from a game economy standpoint.... thats something the community should comment on.

Reselling 3.0 upgs does not seem like a good idea to me, some of these weapons are totally OP especially now with the balancing patches. The Koreans won't just 1,2,3 change skills and stuff based on which upgs are sold here.

Balancing things from an economical point of view is far more easy than actuall ingame balance. If PWI sells upgs reguarly and also holds talisman/walter events and makes it easier to get ABSO sets then the price of all those items will drop. All they have to do is give the players a supply, the items will get less scarce and the price will drop...economy 101 lol. The only issue that would remain are bossdrops +12-18 which are bloody expensive, this issue could also get adressed but it would increase the stat inflation at the same time which is not something anyone wants.

The Game is already unbalanced enough, So the fair thing to do is to resell the weapons so more player can get their hands on them insted of just a choosen few.

But what do you want, exactly the same weapons as the last 3.0 batch? This will for example mean that Agi dhans will go totally out of control with 3.0 katars lol.

[sunnyangel]

Reselling 3.0 upgs does not seem like a good idea to me, some of these weapons are totally OP especially now with the balancing patches. The Koreans won't just 1,2,3 change skills and stuff based on which upgs are sold here.

Balancing things from an economical point of view is far more easy than actuall ingame balance. If PWI sells upgs reguarly and also holds talisman/walter events and makes it easier to get ABSO sets then the price of all those items will drop. All they have to do is give the players a supply, the items will get less scarce and the price will drop...economy 101 lol. The only issue that would remain are bossdrops +12-18 which are bloody expensive, this issue could also get adressed but it would increase the stat inflation at the same time which is not something anyone wants.




But what do you want, exactly the same weapons as the last 3.0 batch? This will for example mean that Agi dhans will go totally out of control with 3.0 katars lol.

I would rather die to 100 agi dhans with 3.0 katars then only die to the 5 who were smart enough to buy one. They raised the bar by making 3.0 weapons they cant turn back now and screw everyone over. And who is seriously worried about agi dhans? they have to get through the stupid bless shield block chance, new mb with maad psy, obli and if all else fails....loop

This game is broken enough as it is to be worried that 1 more class is gonna be broken.

Honestly maybe you are right we need more broken classes can I get an onyx upg staff with 1500 int/psy/vit, 300% magic attack/hp/mp, 100% hp/mp abs, 70% dd, 120% attack speed, 120% mobi and most importantly..... 500% armor def.

[PenguinJoe]

Bring the raaaiiiiiin!

The Epics/Upgrades egg has already been cracked. There is no way to stuff the Epic/Upgrades back into the egg and pretend it never broke. They are out there and made a mess of the game.

PWi - If you are gonna sell upgrades, then sell upgrades and stop pussiefooting around with the subject. The way you guys have totally clusterfrakked this game they are no longer a luxury but an absolute necessity at the end game. In-game forged weapons are simply no longer competitive anymore. You guys made that bed now you have to sleep in it.