Guardian is suck now even with upgrades

[snipers334]

The problem with rohan is that people think it's a braindead game in which you can button mash, it's true that it's not nearly as skillfull as other games such as League or CS:GO but it does have a certain skill to it, you can play mindgames, count cooldowns, vary your combos depending on the class you play vs, vary gear depending who you're vs. and your reaction speed and ability to click people/skills fast is important.

[AchanClub]

The problem with rohan is that people think it's a braindead game in which you can button mash, it's true that it's not nearly as skillfull as other games such as League or CS:GO but it does have a certain skill to it, you can play mindgames, count cooldowns, vary your combos depending on the class you play vs, vary gear depending who you're vs. and your reaction speed and ability to click people/skills fast is important.

yup, lol couldn't agree more on that "ability to click people" especially ranger xD
in all honesty that is my biggest problem , therefore i'm worsee at playing CS or stuff like that..

[vhints0270]

The problem with rohan is that people think it's a braindead game in which you can button mash, it's true that it's not nearly as skillfull as other games such as League or CS:GO but it does have a certain skill to it, you can play mindgames, count cooldowns, vary your combos depending on the class you play vs, vary gear depending who you're vs. and your reaction speed and ability to click people/skills fast is important.

This is too much for some people, and I don't see anyone using this xD.

[snipers334]

yup, lol couldn't agree more on that "ability to click people" especially ranger xD
in all honesty that is my biggest problem , therefore i'm worsee at playing CS or stuff like that..

Fast click = fast kill xD

This is too much for some people, and I don't see anyone using this xD.

''some people'' XDDDDDD

[sunnyangel]

The problem with rohan is that people think it's a braindead game in which you can button mash, it's true that it's not nearly as skillfull as other games such as League or CS:GO but it does have a certain skill to it, you can play mindgames, count cooldowns, vary your combos depending on the class you play vs, vary gear depending who you're vs. and your reaction speed and ability to click people/skills fast is important.

Game has almost no skillcap or at least not in the way you think. The most valuable skill in rohan is the ability to make friends, establish effective communication and being efficient with the exchange market. Everything else is overvalued theres no such thing as skill in rohan if your 1v1ing someone it is a combination of math, luck and a tiny bit of skill and I mean skill in terms of who makes the least mistakes.

Dont beleive me? time to upload the zip folder from shawnc1186 THA LEGEND undefeated in 30 templar 1v1s.

And now this game is in a power arena meta which means skill is even more undervalued than everything I said above like lol math is all that matters now.

About the original topic: Guardians dont suck they do their job well its more that predators are overpoweredasfu in the crit class department and this game thought it was a good idea to re-add crit immunity technique because faku.

[snipers334]

Game has almost no skillcap or at least not in the way you think. The most valuable skill in rohan is the ability to make friends, establish effective communication and being efficient with the exchange market. Everything else is overvalued theres no such thing as skill in rohan if your 1v1ing someone it is a combination of math, luck and a tiny bit of skill and I mean skill in terms of who makes the least mistakes.

Dont beleive me? time to upload the zip folder from shawnc1186 THA LEGEND undefeated in 30 templar 1v1s.

And now this game is in a power arena meta which means skill is even more undervalued than everything I said above like lol math is all that matters now.

About the original topic: Guardians dont suck they do their job well its more that predators are overpoweredasfu in the crit class department and this game thought it was a good idea to re-add crit immunity technique because faku.

Intresting analysis, it doesn't work like that though. You can throw money at the game or get your gear through doing business, making friends etc. Either way it doesn't matter nor make you a good player if you mash your buttons like a monkey, which is what most players do.

Also where did I say 1v1? this isn't a 1v1 game, specially now with all the party buffs, trying to compare a 1v1 scenario doesn't make a lot of sense since it's not the focus of this game(anymore).

I do agree that math is the basic thing you need to become good. For starters to understand how every layer of damage reduction and damage adding effects work so you can gear yourself in a so-efficient-as-possible way to spew out as much damage and take the least(this can be really complicated). A good memory helps too, to know which skills/buffs go over or before other skills/buffs and to remember the cooldown of all important things from all classes and keep those in mind while PVP'ing. Also which targets to focus in which order will make the difference between winning or losing a pvp battle (that is if you have equal numbers and sort-of equal gear).

As for dhans, they are overrated because they are pro for low-medium tier players (which includes say 80% of Rohan). When you get into the top players, you'll see most will choose a templar or sage or maybe even guard over a dhan, simply because it's too easy to counter dhans and those other classes bring steady dps or a more useful skillset.

Personally I have no problem with anti-crit scrolls, it's not P2W, every person at any lvl can farm boxes to get them, it's how this game should be.


PS: the fact that you keep mentioning Shawn the scammer and put him in the same txt as the words ''ability to make friends'' and ''effective communication'' makes me puke. and franky after that, I can't even take anything else you say even remotely serious (I tried anyway) but well trollolol shawn the cancer of rohan xD

[sunnyangel]

Intresting analysis, it doesn't work like that though. You can throw money at the game or get your gear through doing business, making friends etc. Either way it doesn't matter nor make you a good player if you mash your buttons like a monkey, which is what most players do.

I have feels like ur an old player but I didnt know you back then but here goes. My squad beat down "braindead monkeys" with better gear because we had better communication. Same did almost every other guild with the exception of the qndy forever squad who had a massive equipment advantage over the other guilds. You want a good example? Ask Tar how many pvps he won once me squad left. Almost none but Tar has the best equipment in the game outside of 1 person who had these DD boots/gloves from an old ass event.

Also where did I say 1v1? this isn't a 1v1 game, specially now with all the party buffs, trying to compare a 1v1 scenario doesn't make a lot of sense since it's not the focus of this game(anymore).
We all know this isnt a 1v1 game but thats a same_class 1v1 how did shawnc1186 THA LEGEND win all those templar 1v1s dont you want to know? Being undefeated in 30 templar 1v1s is an anomaly wouldnt you say? whats his secret???? It was lvl 7 euphoria and making less mistakes simple as that.

I do agree that math is the basic thing you need to become good. For starters to understand how every layer of damage reduction and damage adding effects work so you can gear yourself in a so-efficient-as-possible way to spew out as much damage and take the least(this can be really complicated). A good memory helps too, to know which skills/buffs go over or before other skills/buffs and to remember the cooldown of all important things from all classes and keep those in mind while PVP'ing. Also which targets to focus in which order will make the difference between winning or losing a pvp battle (that is if you have equal numbers and sort-of equal gear).
Your attempts to min-max will carry you in the math department but you will lose out in a proper group pvp scenario (not this power arena crap) if your communication is **** which is the most important skill.

As for dhans, they are overrated because they are pro for low-medium tier players (which includes say 80% of Rohan). When you get into the top players, you'll see most will choose a templar or sage or maybe even guard over a dhan, simply because it's too easy to counter dhans and those other classes bring steady dps or a more useful skillset.
Dhans are strong because just like templars used to be they can do a lot with a little and even more with a lot. The math dont lie simple as that.

Personally I have no problem with anti-crit scrolls, it's not P2W, every person at any lvl can farm boxes to get them, it's how this game should be
So having an item that mitigates ALL_CRITICAL_DAMAGE is acceptable because anyone can get it? They brought it out as a band-aid fix for dhans but it then screws over all other classes that have a crit boost a la guards, rangers, giants etc who guess what dont have invenom. Ill be ok with this statement if you said you have no problem with crit immunity technique because it solves problems in the short term while class imbalances are fixed but we all know thats not gonna happen.

PS: the fact that you keep mentioning Shawn the scammer and put him in the same txt as the words ''ability to make friends'' and ''effective communication'' makes me puke. and franky after that, I can't even take anything else you say even remotely serious (I tried anyway) but well trollolol shawn the cancer of rohan xD

Ive known shawnc1186 for a long time and if you ever sit down and talk to the guy hes a down to earth guy whos never scammed anyone who didnt have it coming. In my circle with old man mark, uncle dekon, shawnc1186 and luffy someone scammed uncle dekon you wana guess who it was?
















Luffy because shawnc1186 would never scam uncle dekon.

[snipers334]

Ive known shawnc1186 for a long time and if you ever sit down and talk to the guy hes a down to earth guy whos never scammed anyone who didnt have it coming. In my circle with old man mark, uncle dekon, shawnc1186 and luffy someone scammed uncle dekon you wana guess who it was?
















Luffy because shawnc1186 would never scam uncle dekon.

I understand most of your comments are based on ''back then'' but honestly, this game isn't the same anymore. In fact it changed so much I don't think there is much value in comparing the rohan of today with the rohan of what 6-7 years ago? It's basically a different game. As for the 1V1's back then, you could stack buffs on a character without having to party it. Everything is based on party buffs/auras now and some classes heavily benefit from this. 1v1's are dead and are a bad way to compare how good someone really is in this game.

As for communication during PVP, yes having your PVP party on voice and being able to call who to target/what your cooldowns are, which combos you gonna spam is an advantage but at the same time, if you're experienced you know WHO to target and also WHEN. You'll also know which combos to use and anticipate on buffs that are given to you. Which is exactly what I meant when I said ''remember cooldowns and know the combos of classes''. The main issue with PVP is that, people are more like sheeple and they always attack whatever is nearest to them (which is a fully decked out DPS with all scrolls/buffs/loop on). Which is exactly what you shouldn't focus on since they have supports perma-healing/buffing them.

I'm not sure if you're currently playing this game, even though dhans are still a popular class, you see templars/sages popping up. Even the people that don't understand the math (Dhan scales linear & temp/sage scales exponential + you can't counter temp/sage DPS but it's fairly easy to counter critical dmg) know that temp & sage are the future of this game (unless they change the formula for blunt/zhen master).

As for crit immuun scrolls, the more crit chance % you have, the bigger the influence is of those scrolls in negating damage. Dhan can get an insane amount of critical chance and it is thus, by far the worst ''nerf'' for dhans. Any other class can perform fine when fighting people on anti-crit scrolls.

[sunnyangel]

I understand most of your comments are based on ''back then'' but honestly, this game isn't the same anymore. In fact it changed so much I don't think there is much value in comparing the rohan of today with the rohan of what 6-7 years ago? It's basically a different game. As for the 1V1's back then, you could stack buffs on a character without having to party it. Everything is based on party buffs/auras now and some classes heavily benefit from this. 1v1's are dead and are a bad way to compare how good someone really is in this game.
Yah now its power arena meta and nobody cares you can just die come back with PA buff and kill people (or take it off because ur a templar and there was that strange interaction with equality IIRC)

As for communication during PVP, yes having your PVP party on voice and being able to call who to target/what your cooldowns are, which combos you gonna spam is an advantage but at the same time, if you're experienced you know WHO to target and also WHEN. You'll also know which combos to use and anticipate on buffs that are given to you. Which is exactly what I meant when I said ''remember cooldowns and know the combos of classes''. The main issue with PVP is that, people are more like sheeple and they always attack whatever is nearest to them (which is a fully decked out DPS with all scrolls/buffs/loop on). Which is exactly what you shouldn't focus on since they have supports perma-healing/buffing them.
Yah people have tunnel vision and its a problem but not having tunnel vision shouldnt be a clear indicator of who is and isnt good.

I'm not sure if you're currently playing this game, even though dhans are still a popular class, you see templars/sages popping up. Even the people that don't understand the math (Dhan scales linear & temp/sage scales exponential + you can't counter temp/sage DPS but it's fairly easy to counter critical dmg) know that temp & sage are the future of this game (unless they change the formula for blunt/zhen master).
Ur right I can't live off a schedule (the rohan method) so I dont play this game which revolves around power arena. People understand the math its been known since 2009 what templars can do. Only difference is that you can do a WHOLE_LOT_MORE with a pred than a templar with a whole lot less. Im talking trans opaniel katar with those pvp 200 agi rings not even factoring in the chakras and stuff. If your a templar with the same low cash investment as that guy your in trouble.

As for crit immuun scrolls, the more crit chance % you have, the bigger the influence is of those scrolls in negating damage. Dhan can get an insane amount of critical chance and it is thus, by far the worst ''nerf'' for dhans. Any other class can perform fine when fighting people on anti-crit scrolls.

But this is where your wrong because crits from fatal or invoke are a big part of those class's damage and your ****ting all over their damage potential because we need to use a scroll to protect us from dhans except they have invenom which goes through. Crit immunity technique is not dhan immunity technique it hurts all classes.

Idk if you have played any other pvp mmorpgs but after playing tera I will never consider any rohan player to be technically skilled at any class. Before I got banned twice I was beating people with 2017 latest equipment using old 2012 weapon not because that weapon was OP but because I was skilled enough to lock down my enemies from doing what they wanted/supposed to do.

[snipers334]

I have to stand behind sunny's defense of Shawn1186. I know of his so-called scamming history. And to be frankly honest with you in his place I would have done the same thing and I am probably one of the least scammer-oriented people in this game.

But no defense of mine or anyone that has actually dealt with the guy in a non-combative way will change anybody's view because in this game you are guilty until proven innocent. Because well if the real scammers are more popular at the time they will have the last word (and anybody that has been around here long enough will know who those real scammers are).

As for what works n0to vs what worked back then, I have agree with both of you. Rohan has changed an awful lot in the last couple years. You need a LOT more skill playing this game to be effective AND you need the best gear you can get your hands on - which ain't cheap by anybody's accounting. But it isn't just about how much cash you can throw at it. You can get moderately-geared folks that can trounce a top geared fool that thinks the only way to play the game is to one-click your dead style of playing.

But in some ways Rohan has always been about gearing up and effectively using that gear by knowing all of the tricks playing your toon.

As for shawn, you don't need to speculate with me lol, I know for a fact he's been banned, multiple times, a few of those were for scamming. You might not want to believe it but to get banned for scamming, you have to really-really **** up. What i mean with that is, if you scam someone's item who's account sharing, you don't get a ban, if you scam somoene's item which he gave in trade to reinforce or such, they just reverse the trades and won't ban you. In all honesty, getting banned (even for a temporary amount of time) for something else than harassment, really means you did something ****ed up.

But this is where your wrong because crits from fatal or invoke are a big part of those class's damage and your ****ting all over their damage potential because we need to use a scroll to protect us from dhans except they have invenom which goes through. Crit immunity technique is not dhan immunity technique it hurts all classes.

Idk if you have played any other pvp mmorpgs but after playing tera I will never consider any rohan player to be technically skilled at any class. Before I got banned twice I was beating people with 2017 latest equipment using old 2012 weapon not because that weapon was OP but because I was skilled enough to lock down my enemies from doing what they wanted/supposed to do.

Your point about being able to do more-with-less on a dhan is completely valid, but every person who play this game slowely gains more items, more money, more stats, more power. it's the way it's designed and it's what makes people play. This being said it also means that classes, which scale better with more stats, more items and more power will, eventually reach their Apex position. Currently it's only the top geared players who can reach this, but the future of this game is reserved for intel based templars and sages not for dhans.

Crits aren't the main damage output from rangers nor guards(I mean you can if you put crit stones in ur weapon and guarder but that's a bad idea). Both classes can deliver steady dps while attacking people on loop or crit scroll (honestly loop even heals you while you crit someone) and you have templar ulti (for the whole party) which reduce crit damage by 75% and wizard group anti crit which lasts insane amounts of time and is for a whole party too. You're making a huge point about anti crit scrolls while there are many mechanics to counter critical damage in game and have been for a long time, also before those scrolls.

Also, like I said before, rohan doesn't require the amount of skill you'd see in games such as CS:GO or League of Dota (I can't say anything about tera since I never played it), but it does require more skill then people think.