Stupid Event from Rohan update

[sunnyangel]

This is a constructive comment and eager to support the community. Your suggestion is good, but it would be a weaker title because it would be easier to get. As mentioned in the post we are going to extend this content with more bosses and quest but people do not pay attention to the full post.

Thank you for your feedback.

This makes zero sense considering all the top DPS who were in contention to get the box and thus the title already have trans title which gives 1k in the stat of their choice. This title is quite mediocre compared to that its literally Star of Victory with pve defense which like I said before top DPS dont need.

[Albreiker]

This makes zero sense considering all the top DPS who were in contention to get the box and thus the title already have trans title which gives 1k in the stat of their choice. This title is quite mediocre compared to that its literally Star of Victory with pve defense which like I said before top DPS dont need.

I give you the reason, but I can tell you that the number of people with that title is not so many. The problem is that some players have large communities and for them that's all Rohan. But there are many more people who also participate in the events.
Would you really like that title to be stronger than Star Of Victory? But good as I mentioned before we are going to extend these contents, you will have more news in the future.

[sunnyangel]

I give you the reason, but I can tell you that the number of people with that title is not so many. The problem is that some players have large communities and for them that's all Rohan. But there are many more people who also participate in the events.
Would you really like that title to be stronger than Star Of Victory? But good as I mentioned before we are going to extend these contents, you will have more news in the future.

Clearly we are not playing the same game, anyone strong enough to grind in the flame god dungeon has Trans title (Spearhead/Cheif/Commander/Assasin etc.) or they have "Transcended" title. I log in for PA and I see at least 60 players with that title and thats only 1/2 the playerbase since the other 1/2 will be in "Morning PA".

I think you have to mention that this game has a monthly fee and a cost of expansion. The model is very different. You know this game probably better than some GMs, you know that the problem to win new players lies in how old the server is and the difference in power between a new player and a veteran player. It's something we have to deal with every day.

The simplest solution is to create a new server for new players, but it is something that must be evaluated with care. At this time, making a new player strong quickly affects the economy considerably. We have already applied some content that makes it easier for a new user to be more competitive with a veteran user (We did not have very good reactions from veterans) but it is still difficult.

At this moment there are 2 sides, the side of the veterans and the side of the most casual veterans. New players do not even take these sides because they do not use the forum. But when they reach a certain point they realize that it is very difficult to beat a veteran and not only for the equipment but also for the experience. Believe me, we are looking for a solution, but it must be one that does not affect anyone and the process of change must be natural not forced.

Thank you

W R O N G

Segregating the population is the problem not the solution, you need to merge all servers into one platform (so you only have 1 problem) and then proceed to fix that problem by bridging the gap with new equipment. I outlined it in this thread ideas to actually fix the game which you should totally take a look at.

[Albreiker]

Clearly we are not playing the same game, anyone strong enough to grind in the flame god dungeon has Trans title (Spearhead/Cheif/Commander/Assasin etc.) or they have "Transcended" title. I log in for PA and I see at least 60 players with that title and thats only 1/2 the playerbase since the other 1/2 will be in "Morning PA".

The limit of PA is 100 (50/50), it is impossible for PA to reflect the current state of the population. That number of players is not even a small part of the ones. FYI.

W R O N G

Segregating the population is the problem not the solution, you need to merge all servers into one platform (so you only have 1 problem) and then proceed to fix that problem by bridging the gap with new equipment. I outlined it in this thread ideas to actually fix the game which you should totally take a look at.

As I said repeatedly, it is now almost impossible to compare a new user with a veteran user, especially for the PH items or upg sales items. It was something that was done before and I know it gave problems, they do not have to tell me, but the solution is not so simple. We must make a fair solution for the whole community. New equipment will come in the future, I think that everyone already knows by now. We mentioned it in many post.

I respect your opinion and I hope that you also respect mine. Let's continue with this debate in a respectful way, do not insinues things or say that our opinion is wrong. I remind you that we do the best we can for Rohan and there are decisions we must make under our responsibility. Always evaluating risks. I wish I could apply some suggestions without thinking that something could go wrong.

[Vinko]

This makes zero sense considering all the top DPS who were in contention to get the box and thus the title already have trans title which gives 1k in the stat of their choice. This title is quite mediocre compared to that its literally Star of Victory with pve defense which like I said before top DPS dont need.

Its that GMs cant understand, new title is mediocre in comparation with Trans Title and still SOV is better(more hp), is stupid and nonsense because top DPS dont need. They hunting that bosses only for the drop and dont care about new title.

[Albreiker]

Its that GMs cant understand, new title is mediocre in comparation with Trans Title and still SOV is better(more hp), is stupid and nonsense because top DPS dont need. They hunting that bosses only for the drop and dont care about new title.

I gave him the reason, of course I know that title is not stronger. But I think we're not discussing anything relevant anymore. I will take your feedback into account, the next title will be better.

[NotSaintNSinner]

I gave him the reason, of course I know that title is not stronger. But I think we're not discussing anything relevant anymore. I will take your feedback into account, the next title will be better.

Please remove the +15 ticket , it will solve the massive issue between the Community , the +15 ticket should not be obtained trough the world bosses. The loot is good enough as it is of now . Remove the +15 ticket issues will be solved. I hope you guys listen to the community at least for once.

Thank you

[shannon11]

I said it before, a quest is a better way.


This Thread isnt about the drop, its how the title can be obtained and that the current state sucks, because its the same sh1t for the same players(Boss drop monopoly). Its not accessible to all or reasonable

Some cant understand that the problem here is simple STATISTICS or doesnt know what that word means, yes there are 80% of veteran players, but doesnt mean that all of them have access to those bosses, so they can kill them or not, at the end of the day after few months only 5-10% max of player base will have the title. How PJ says you cannot please everyone, but its a very bad business strategy not to please at least 70% of your current player base(consumers), with another mechanism like obtaining the title with a quest or collecting item, so everyone can have access and not a 10% maximum.

You know what your problem is and why I tell you to f*k off? The only thing you do is complain, you don't give proper alternatives or improvements you only try to smack down what's given to you. If you want to spend time typing something out take an example from PJ or Sunny, you'll rarely see them just vent, they adress an issue and usually give better ALTERNATIVES instead of just mindless rambling or reapeating what others said (which is what you do).

The issue isn't statistics, some events are world wide events and available for every player lvl 1 to 115+50 (like the dust event). Some other events are focused on high lvl players to create competative pvp. Not every event has to be available for EVERY player it has never been like that and it will never be like that, just get used to it.

This makes zero sense considering all the top DPS who were in contention to get the box and thus the title already have trans title which gives 1k in the stat of their choice. This title is quite mediocre compared to that its literally Star of Victory with pve defense which like I said before top DPS dont need.

I agree it would be better to remove the title ticket from the Box and instead make a quest that requires you to kill all the 3 bosses to receive the ticket and obtain the title. Instead of the title ticket the Opaniels Exchange ticket could be added to the box.

I think you have to mention that this game has a monthly fee and a cost of expansion. The model is very different. You know this game probably better than some GMs, you know that the problem to win new players lies in how old the server is and the difference in power between a new player and a veteran player. It's something we have to deal with every day.

The simplest solution is to create a new server for new players, but it is something that must be evaluated with care. At this time, making a new player strong quickly affects the economy considerably. We have already applied some content that makes it easier for a new user to be more competitive with a veteran user (We did not have very good reactions from veterans) but it is still difficult.

At this moment there are 2 sides, the side of the veterans and the side of the most casual veterans. New players do not even take these sides because they do not use the forum. But when they reach a certain point they realize that it is very difficult to beat a veteran and not only for the equipment but also for the experience. Believe me, we are looking for a solution, but it must be one that does not affect anyone and the process of change must be natural not forced.

Thank you

I pretty much agree with (almost) everything in this post, you can't compare rohan to other games out there, time for that is long gone. As for creating a new server, I hope you learned that it's NOT a good idea (look at Origin/ISEN/JIN) they all pretty much failed. It's much better to improve the current server, merge ISEN to it and combine all the players you have in 1 bigger server.

Dealing with the powercreep in MMO's is one of the most complicated things and it's the reason many MMOs become a desert after a certain amount of time. At one hand you HAVE to release stronger/better content than what's already in the game, otherwise people with endgame gear will not buy/improve their gears. While on the other hand every layer of new, more powerfull gear makes the power gap between starting and veteran players bigger. After running a game for 10 years and releasing new content on the way you end up with a huge difference between old-new players. You can't simply release OP gear for newbies since that will enrage your veteran community, which is your main group of focus. On the other hand you can't keep increasing the power of gear if you want new players to stay and play.

It's a difficult issue but I've seen some solutions given that could close the gap between new and old players WITHOUT enraging the veteran community. Some of the posts of Sunnyangel are a very good example of what can be done to solve part of these issues.

http://forum.playrohan.com/forum/sho...#axzz5PbeS1qYf

I give you the reason, but I can tell you that the number of people with that title is not so many. The problem is that some players have large communities and for them that's all Rohan. But there are many more people who also participate in the events.
Would you really like that title to be stronger than Star Of Victory? But good as I mentioned before we are going to extend these contents, you will have more news in the future.

You're missing part of the point people are trying to make, let me explain:

You have a few titles in game which are valued by pretty much everyone:
- Star Of Victory (100 all stats 6k hp)
- Trans title (requires SOV and gives 10k hp 10% PVP def and 100 all stats)
- 1k title (which requires Trans + SOV and gives 1000 of 1 single stat, 10k hp, 10% PVP def)

Now those 3 titles are consecutive titles which mainly can be gotten by attending the power arena. They are PVP focused titles but the 1k stats title is also PVE focused (since it's currently the best title you can get)

Now you (Albreiker) said that the current boss event is for max geared players to contest in pvp over a few hard bosses (which is a fine event) but the problem with the reward is that the title you released (10% PVE defense, 100 all stats 2500 hp) is not on par with the 1k title and nor should it be. The people who contest for this boss will mostlikely already have a 1k stats title and thus will not need/use the title ticket obtained from the boss.

This beats the whole purpose of this reward. This is why I suggest you change the rewards and swap the title ticket with an opaniel exchange ticket BUT create a quest for the (10% PVE defense, 100 all stats 2500 hp) ticket to make it possible for semi-maxed out players to attend the boss war, not obtain the reward box but they will be able to hit the boss and help kill it. If they succeed in killing all 3 different bosses, they will get the title ticket.

Does this make sense to you?

Please remove the +15 ticket , it will solve the massive issue between the Community , the +15 ticket should not be obtained trough the world bosses. The loot is good enough as it is of now . Remove the +15 ticket issues will be solved. I hope you guys listen to the community at least for once.

Thank you

The +15 ticket isn't the issue for most players here, nor is it for me.

[Albreiker]

You know what your problem is and why I tell you to f*k off? The only thing you do is complain, you don't give proper alternatives or improvements you only try to smack down what's given to you. If you want to spend time typing something out take an example from PJ or Sunny, you'll rarely see them just vent, they adress an issue and usually give better ALTERNATIVES instead of just mindless rambling or reapeating what others said (which is what you do).

The issue isn't statistics, some events are world wide events and available for every player lvl 1 to 115+50 (like the dust event). Some other events are focused on high lvl players to create competative pvp. Not every event has to be available for EVERY player it has never been like that and it will never be like that, just get used to it.




I agree it would be better to remove the title ticket from the Box and instead make a quest that requires you to kill all the 3 bosses to receive the ticket and obtain the title. Instead of the title ticket the Opaniels Exchange ticket could be added to the box.



I pretty much agree with (almost) everything in this post, you can't compare rohan to other games out there, time for that is long gone. As for creating a new server, I hope you learned that it's NOT a good idea (look at Origin/ISEN/JIN) they all pretty much failed. It's much better to improve the current server, merge ISEN to it and combine all the players you have in 1 bigger server.

Dealing with the powercreep in MMO's is one of the most complicated things and it's the reason many MMOs become a desert after a certain amount of time. At one hand you HAVE to release stronger/better content than what's already in the game, otherwise people with endgame gear will not buy/improve their gears. While on the other hand every layer of new, more powerfull gear makes the power gap between starting and veteran players bigger. After running a game for 10 years and releasing new content on the way you end up with a huge difference between old-new players. You can't simply release OP gear for newbies since that will enrage your veteran community, which is your main group of focus. On the other hand you can't keep increasing the power of gear if you want new players to stay and play.

It's a difficult issue but I've seen some solutions given that could close the gap between new and old players WITHOUT enraging the veteran community. Some of the posts of Sunnyangel are a very good example of what can be done to solve part of these issues.

http://forum.playrohan.com/forum/sho...#axzz5PbeS1qYf



You're missing part of the point people are trying to make, let me explain:

You have a few titles in game which are valued by pretty much everyone:
- Star Of Victory (100 all stats 6k hp)
- Trans title (requires SOV and gives 10k hp 10% PVP def and 100 all stats)
- 1k title (which requires Trans + SOV and gives 1000 of 1 single stat, 10k hp, 10% PVP def)

Now those 3 titles are consecutive titles which mainly can be gotten by attending the power arena. They are PVP focused titles but the 1k stats title is also PVE focused (since it's currently the best title you can get)

Now you (Albreiker) said that the current boss event is for max geared players to contest in pvp over a few hard bosses (which is a fine event) but the problem with the reward is that the title you released (10% PVE defense, 100 all stats 2500 hp) is not on par with the 1k title and nor should it be. The people who contest for this boss will mostlikely already have a 1k stats title and thus will not need/use the title ticket obtained from the boss.

This beats the whole purpose of this reward. This is why I suggest you change the rewards and swap the title ticket with an opaniel exchange ticket BUT create a quest for the (10% PVE defense, 100 all stats 2500 hp) ticket to make it possible for semi-maxed out players to attend the boss war, not obtain the reward box but they will be able to hit the boss and help kill it. If they succeed in killing all 3 different bosses, they will get the title ticket.

Does this make sense to you?



The +15 ticket isn't the issue for most players here, nor is it for me.

Thank you for detailing the points more clearly. I understand better what you mean, we will make changes as soon as possible. We can not do something exactly the same as what you suggest but we can take this opinion into account.

I have clear that you did not like the title. hahaha I will do my best to change it, it is no longer necessary to mention this topic.