Rumors about PK Ban!

[Albreiker]

Greetings rohanians!

How is it that any issue always becomes a discussion? The dev-team works on that but we must wait for a change to be applied in the headquarters before. I mean vengeance.
Always are the same people who repeat the same theme again. Dev-team already knows that it should improve the system, but it is something that you have to be patient, I would like it to be easy but it is not.

At no time have I contradicted myself, I think some do not understand that the ban is not because of PK it is because of the abuse. It could be an abuse in any type of circumstance, but in this case we talk about PvP, so i emphasize that.
If you want to distort my words, it's fine, it's your free speech. Here all opinions count, even those players who no longer play.
We will continue working to improve Rohan, I hope someday we can understand each other better and try to overcome the past. Now we must repair the mistakes that others made but it seems that some people do not want to see forward.

You can be sure of something, I'm going to solve Rohan's problems. It is a difficult task and it will take time, i can't lie to you, but we will do our best so that dev-team has what it needs to improve Rohan.

Best regards
Albreiker

[shannon11]

Greetings rohanians!

How is it that any issue always becomes a discussion? Because with a discussion you are able to gain the insight of different players/people and so come to a better conclusion than when you let 1 person make a huge decision on their own? The dev-team works on that but we must wait for a change to be applied in the headquarters before. I mean vengeance.
Always are the same people who repeat the same theme again Now I wonder WHY some things keep being brought to your attention, have you ever even bothered to ask yourself that question?. Dev-team already knows that it should improve the system, but it is something that you have to be patient, I would like it to be easy but it is not. This is a load of BS, the venge system has not always been broken and prone to abuse. There was a time in which the system worked fine and you couldn't spam abuse it. At a certain point either your Dev team or the KR Dev team decided it needed ''improvement'' which resulted in the broken sh1t system we have now.

At no time have I contradicted myself, I think some do not understand that the ban is not because of PK it is because of the abuse The abuse of pk, that is still banning people for pking (you're the one trying to take a diplomatic position by twisting my words). Without setting a clear set of rules regarding what's considdered ''PK abuse'' it doesn't make any sense. You're scared to release official rules since you know people like me will smack you with them and it will probably cost you players coz you are in fact restricting PK/PVP.. It could be an abuse in any type of circumstance, but in this case we talk about PvP, so i emphasize that.
If you want to distort my words, it's fine, it's your free speech. Here all opinions count, even those players who no longer play.
We will continue working to improve Rohan, I hope someday we can understand each other better and try to overcome the past. Now we must repair the mistakes that others made but it seems that some people do not want to see forward. Sounds to me like a copy-paste message your boss made you put in lmao

You can be sure of something, I'm going to solve Rohan's problems. It is a difficult task and it will take time, i can't lie to you, but we will do our best so that dev-team has what it needs to improve Rohan. Yea after being around for 10 years and seeing the amount of gms come and leave (Atzigan? Verbaen? Karazy? just to name a few) I really don't believe this for sh1t. Sugarcoat it all you want but unless I see specific changes that benefit all the players I'll remain a salty sceptic

Best regards
Albreiker

Instead of continuing a coporate BS story which we've been force fed for 10 years, try to speak freely and tell us what's really going on and what you gonna do about it lmao.

Also this ''abuse'' or ''pk abuse'' has been going on for many years now, nobody from the GMs gave a single fu.ck about it untill recently some carebear GM decided it was needed to adress this issue and instead of fixing it, you decided it was better to ban players for it. If you can't see why people are frustrated I think it's time for you to find a different job.

[Albreiker]

Instead of continuing a coporate BS story which we've been force fed for 10 years, try to speak freely and tell us what's really going on and what you gonna do about it lmao.

Also this ''abuse'' or ''pk abuse'' has been going on for many years now, nobody from the GMs gave a single fu.ck about it untill recently some carebear GM decided it was needed to adress this issue and instead of fixing it, you decided it was better to ban players for it. If you can't see why people are frustrated I think it's time for you to find a different job.

Ok, I do not know why you assume that this is a definitive solution. We only taken this action by the people who are extorting other players.

Obviously, this topic goes further than just banning. We have to make changes in the system, but this post was not focused on that but on people who are spreading rumors and threatening with ban. That was what we wanted to clarify, I will take note of the comments you made.

And with all due respect, you know how many people were banned for that? I can tell you, 7. This decision did not affect almost anyone, all these players abused the system extorting players. The problem arose because these players did not want to tell the true to their guilds and started to lie about it. They said we banned them for doing PK. PK extorting people? They needed to add that little detail.

We do not mention the names of these players out of respect for their privacy, but we will not allow GMs to be defamed.

I hope this will make the subject clearer.

[PenguinJoe]

Greetings rohanians!

How is it that any issue always becomes a discussion? The dev-team works on that but we must wait for a change to be applied in the headquarters before. I mean vengeance.
Always are the same people who repeat the same theme again. Dev-team already knows that it should improve the system, but it is something that you have to be patient, I would like it to be easy but it is not.

At no time have I contradicted myself, I think some do not understand that the ban is not because of PK it is because of the abuse. It could be an abuse in any type of circumstance, but in this case we talk about PvP, so i emphasize that.
If you want to distort my words, it's fine, it's your free speech. Here all opinions count, even those players who no longer play.
We will continue working to improve Rohan, I hope someday we can understand each other better and try to overcome the past. Now we must repair the mistakes that others made but it seems that some people do not want to see forward.

You can be sure of something, I'm going to solve Rohan's problems. It is a difficult task and it will take time, i can't lie to you, but we will do our best so that dev-team has what it needs to improve Rohan.

Best regards
Albreiker

I believe the whole vengeance problem has been raised both in these forums and on your ticket system for over a year now. Hell, it may even be closer to two years now. How long do you expect our "patience" will last? A few months? Fine I think everyone would be happy with that kind of turn around.

More than a year though tells the community here that you have been told, and didn't care one enough to tell them that it will never happen.

Over the years one or another of your staff comes into the forums and attempts to connect with platitudes and asking them for input or ideas. In every instance your staff has done this, reams of their ideas and requests have been provided both in these forums and in your ticket system. I know because I have provided such input in both places more than once. Detailed input as per my writing style.

And you know what? Not a single concern, idea or request raised has ever been so much as acknowledged to your players. Not one! So you please tell us sir - at what point should our patience become acceptance of/anger at being ignored? Give us some kind of quantitative answer other than "We will discuss it in our weekly meeting". Because after that canned answer, we never hear another word about it from you guys.

Look, I get it that you are a company and you guys can't say anything that might be construed as a promise or commitment to deliver. I've been there and worked in that same sort of customer-facing position (only the customers I had to face were were corporate executives of some of the largest companies in the world). But saying nothing at all only tells us you don't care. In the 10 years I have been around, that is all I and most of the other vets here have seen.

Perhaps instead of concrete terms like "this will happen" and "this won't", you can give us some kind of feedback like "The request has been submitted to HQ", and possibly follow up once in a while (and I don't mean just once, but continually with "HQ is still looking into the matter" or even "HQ has rejected the matter". Even that last tells us you haven't ignored us. Like your management when you are given a project to do, we also require status updates on your progress. In essence we, the players, are your CEO's boss and demand at least as much consideration and responsiveness as he does. My customers certainly did and if I did not deliver on that responsiveness, it was my a$$ that got kicked.

[Albreiker]

I believe the whole vengeance problem has been raised both in these forums and on your ticket system for over a year now. Hell, it may even be closer to two years now. How long do you expect our "patience" will last? A few months? Fine I think everyone would be happy with that kind of turn around.

More than a year though tells the community here that you have been told, and didn't care one enough to tell them that it will never happen.

Over the years one or another of your staff comes into the forums and attempts to connect with platitudes and asking them for input or ideas. In every instance your staff has done this, reams of their ideas and requests have been provided both in these forums and in your ticket system. I know because I have provided such input in both places more than once. Detailed input as per my writing style.

And you know what? Not a single concern, idea or request raised has ever been so much as acknowledged to your players. Not one! So you please tell us sir - at what point should our patience become acceptance of/anger at being ignored? Give us some kind of quantitative answer other than "We will discuss it in our weekly meeting". Because after that canned answer, we never hear another word about it from you guys.

Look, I get it that you are a company and you guys can't say anything that might be construed as a promise or commitment to deliver. I've been there and worked in that same sort of customer-facing position (only the customers I had to face were were corporate executives of some of the largest companies in the world). But saying nothing at all only tells us you don't care. In the 10 years I have been around, that is all I and most of the other vets here have seen.

Perhaps instead of concrete terms like "this will happen" and "this won't", you can give us some kind of feedback like "The request has been submitted to HQ", and possibly follow up once in a while (and I don't mean just once, but continually with "HQ is still looking into the matter" or even "HQ has rejected the matter". Even that last tells us you haven't ignored us. Like your management when you are given a project to do, we also require status updates on your progress. In essence we, the players, are your CEO's boss and demand at least as much consideration and responsiveness as he does. My customers certainly did and if I did not deliver on that responsiveness, it was my a$$ that got kicked.

I understand your point. And I know how frustrating it is to ask me to solve something and take a long time to resolve. But what can I say, is the truth, Rohan is a game that is growing little by little again. I would like to tell you that it is simple what is behind the game but it is not. Also a large part of the content is taken from the headquarters, a drastic change must first be applied in Rohan kr there before being applied here. We can make variations, but developing a change in the system without being applied in the headquarters is a bit complicated.

We make localized changes depending on where the game is and its current situation, but Rohan must remain Rohan throughout the world. I do not know if you understand me. Our Rohan could not be too different from the one that is active in Korea.

I hope you understand me better now. That don't mean that we don't make change soon.

Thank you

[sunnyangel]

Greetings rohanians!

How is it that any issue always becomes a discussion? The dev-team works on that but we must wait for a change to be applied in the headquarters before. I mean vengeance.
Always are the same people who repeat the same theme again. Dev-team already knows that it should improve the system, but it is something that you have to be patient, I would like it to be easy but it is not.

At no time have I contradicted myself, I think some do not understand that the ban is not because of PK it is because of the abuse. It could be an abuse in any type of circumstance, but in this case we talk about PvP, so i emphasize that.
If you want to distort my words, it's fine, it's your free speech. Here all opinions count, even those players who no longer play.
We will continue working to improve Rohan, I hope someday we can understand each other better and try to overcome the past. Now we must repair the mistakes that others made but it seems that some people do not want to see forward.

You can be sure of something, I'm going to solve Rohan's problems. It is a difficult task and it will take time, i can't lie to you, but we will do our best so that dev-team has what it needs to improve Rohan.

Best regards
Albreiker

All issues should become discussions because when you listen to shady self interested people who actively tell their friends to "spam tickets" to make change instead of coming to the forums so people can fact check the bullshhh that they want to sell you. I said it before and I will say it again the fact that support entertains these kinds of tickets is the reason that we have biased and eventually compromised GMs in game.

I just asked for clarification because context was missing from your post, "Kill the same player constantly for days or months" is ambigious. At what point would I end up in trouble? Will the staff understand why this character is getting pked? You want to talk about abuse? I could see this rule backfiring real quick.

You want to solve rohan's problems? become more active on the forums and ask people what they want to be fixed instead of entertaining these shady self-interested fks over support.

[Albreiker]

All issues should become discussions because when you listen to shady self interested people who actively tell their friends to "spam tickets" to make change instead of coming to the forums so people can fact check the bullshhh that they want to sell you. I said it before and I will say it again the fact that support entertains these kinds of tickets is the reason that we have biased and eventually compromised GMs in game.

I just asked for clarification because context was missing from your post, "Kill the same player constantly for days or months" is ambigious. At what point would I end up in trouble? Will the staff understand why this character is getting pked? You want to talk about abuse? I could see this rule backfiring real quick.

You want to solve rohan's problems? become more active on the forums and ask people what they want to be fixed instead of entertaining these shady self-interested fks over support.

I try to be more active in the forum but there are other tasks to be fulfilled and sometimes a topic is very much distorted. I will assign a GM to only attend the forum soon, thanks for your feedback. I just hope you have patience with him and explain things to him.
I know there is a lot of grudge against the old GMs, but they are no longer here. Treat the new ones with respect so they can give you what you need.

[shannon11]

Ok, I do not know why you assume that this is a definitive solution. We only taken this action by the people who are extorting other players.

Obviously, this topic goes further than just banning. We have to make changes in the system, but this post was not focused on that but on people who are spreading rumors and threatening with ban. That was what we wanted to clarify, I will take note of the comments you made.

And with all due respect, you know how many people were banned for that? I can tell you, 7. This decision did not affect almost anyone, all these players abused the system extorting players. The problem arose because these players did not want to tell the true to their guilds and started to lie about it. They said we banned them for doing PK. PK extorting people? They needed to add that little detail.

We do not mention the names of these players out of respect for their privacy, but we will not allow GMs to be defamed.

I hope this will make the subject clearer.

I'm not trying to defame you or any other gm nor spread rumors. Not everyone who was banned was specifically banned for extorting/blackmailing players. I know for a fact GMs (like Mikaa) have sent tickets back to players with to tell them they would/could get banned for pking too much, same goes for your statement about ''pk abuse''.

If you do not want players to attack you like this on the forums, you should make a clear statement, you keep things vague instead so you can come back on your word later, this pisses me off because I feel I'm not being taken seriously thus I respond accordingly.

If you truely ONLY get banned if you extort players by pking them for money/items, I have no problem with that. But don't take the spam venging of people out on the players, it's a faulty design and as long as it exists, the focus should be at fixing the design error, not the players using it (pretty much using it as it's intended).

I try to be more active in the forum but there are other tasks to be fulfilled and sometimes a topic is very much distorted. I will assign a GM to only attend the forum soon, thanks for your feedback. I just hope you have patience with him and explain things to him.
I know there is a lot of grudge against the old GMs, but they are no longer here. Treat the new ones with respect so they can give you what you need.

You know the whole problem lies with having a new GM every time. I've been playing for 10 years and I know more about this game than any GM in your team, game mechanics wise you can probably count the players who know as much as I know on one hand. I spend years of testing all the classes, skills, ingame systems, maps, pvp, rpk etc etc etc. Do you really think a new GM is gonna know how things work around here and which info to use that's being thrown at them? I'm pretty sure they don't.

Now I've had collaboration with the GMs and a few players in the past but that did not work out, GMs simply don't understand the things that are explained to them. For example when trying to explain how the layered system of damage reducing effects work, you guys just don't get it. Since you do not understand the game mechanics you cannot make appropriate decisions about balance, which items to sell, what stats to give those items, how to release skill balance updates and so on.

If you really want to make a change you should have a group of different veteran players that advices to your whole GM team. You should orginise it in such a way that those players can:
1. Easily talk to GM's (like facebook live help) Some form of direct communication to ask questions
2. All have a uniform format in which they can deliver their report(s) so it's easy to process for your team
3. Have clear Assignments, handed out by your team, with a clear research question
4. Have all people work on a question simultaniously so they can discuss amonst eachother and speak with one voice
5. Pay those people a monthly fee in RPs for their effort (I'm not doing sh1t for free since in the past you guys literally sh1t on my free advice, which I spent a lot of time on writing)
6. Let the group of people in on what you decide and WHY it was decided, create a feedback loop that works both ways (GM to player and player to GM)

Probably highly unlikely something like this would be introduced, worth to mention it though.

Bringing another GM to this forum that has to start from scratch and learn everything, is not gonna do anything. It's just a waste of $ that could otherwise be used to program more content or create new/more events.

[PenguinJoe]

I'm not trying to defame you or any other gm nor spread rumors. Not everyone who was banned was specifically banned for extorting/blackmailing players. I know for a fact GMs (like Mikaa) have sent tickets back to players with to tell them they would/could get banned for pking too much, same goes for your statement about ''pk abuse''.

If you do not want players to attack you like this on the forums, you should make a clear statement, you keep things vague instead so you can come back on your word later, this pisses me off because I feel I'm not being taken seriously thus I respond accordingly.

If you truely ONLY get banned if you extort players by pking them for money/items, I have no problem with that. But don't take the spam venging of people out on the players, it's a faulty design and as long as it exists, the focus should be at fixing the design error, not the players using it (pretty much using it as it's intended).



You know the whole problem lies with having a new GM every time. I've been playing for 10 years and I know more about this game than any GM in your team, game mechanics wise you can probably count the players who know as much as I know on one hand. I spend years of testing all the classes, skills, ingame systems, maps, pvp, rpk etc etc etc. Do you really think a new GM is gonna know how things work around here and which info to use that's being thrown at them? I'm pretty sure they don't.

Now I've had collaboration with the GMs and a few players in the past but that did not work out, GMs simply don't understand the things that are explained to them. For example when trying to explain how the layered system of damage reducing effects work, you guys just don't get it. Since you do not understand the game mechanics you cannot make appropriate decisions about balance, which items to sell, what stats to give those items, how to release skill balance updates and so on.

If you really want to make a change you should have a group of different veteran players that advices to your whole GM team. You should orginise it in such a way that those players can:
1. Easily talk to GM's (like facebook live help) Some form of direct communication to ask questions
2. All have a uniform format in which they can deliver their report(s) so it's easy to process for your team
3. Have clear Assignments, handed out by your team, with a clear research question
4. Have all people work on a question simultaniously so they can discuss amonst eachother and speak with one voice
5. Pay those people a monthly fee in RPs for their effort (I'm not doing sh1t for free since in the past you guys literally sh1t on my free advice, which I spent a lot of time on writing)
6. Let the group of people in on what you decide and WHY it was decided, create a feedback loop that works both ways (GM to player and player to GM)

Probably highly unlikely something like this would be introduced, worth to mention it though.

Bringing another GM to this forum that has to start from scratch and learn everything, is not gonna do anything. It's just a waste of $ that could otherwise be used to program more content or create new/more events.

Myself and a few others tried the whole collaborative thing. We put together a "think tank" (no kidding - we had a skype group called that) where we would work with one of the GMs to introduce ideas and pass on things that needed to be addressed. That didn't get far because the GM left (was fired or whatever) and nobody from PlayWithi cared enough to step up & fill the gap, or the rest of the staff simply didn't have any idea this was going on. The "think tank" stopped bothering to think because we saw exactly where our input went - into a big black hole.

[shannon11]

Myself and a few others tried the whole collaborative thing. We put together a "think tank" (no kidding - we had a skype group called that) where we would work with one of the GMs to introduce ideas and pass on things that needed to be addressed. That didn't get far because the GM left (was fired or whatever) and nobody from PlayWithi cared enough to step up & fill the gap, or the rest of the staff simply didn't have any idea this was going on. The "think tank" stopped bothering to think because we saw exactly where our input went - into a big black hole.

I know, I was the one who organised it and named it lol. snipers334 is my other forum account, just switched to this one coz it's saved in my cookies.

The problem back then was that we did not have enough people participating (from both sides), we did not get clear info from the GMs (no feedbackloop) we did not get clear questions from the GM team and we did not have any way to contact Karazy beside fkn tickets or forum messages.

Also being in touch with 1 GM is stupid, should report to the whole team and get feedback on what they discuss.