Rohan Naming Policy

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Anyhow, here is the TOS and, as far as I know, to all the ppl without an Obsene name that has been changed where does special characters/religious/gibberish appear ?

Its just a violation against the law imo for make pay ppl the rename, its called unfair trade practice...
as the merge and rename for all players occured even before that Karazy1337 started here, it doesnt make any sense that we have to pay for something that were NEVER established anyway

And also, noone is forced to read the forums before/after making an account

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Anyhow, here is the TOS and, as far as I know, to all the ppl without an Obsene name that has been changed where does special characters/religious/gibberish appear ?

Its just a violation against the law imo for make pay ppl the rename, its called unfair trade practice...
as the merge and rename for all players occured even before that Karazy1337 started here, it doesnt make any sense that we have to pay for something that were NEVER established anyway

And also, noone is forced to read the forums before/after making an account

Here is what you should hav elooked at:

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That's the ToS - things you are not allowed to do. And those are the things you agree to when you make an account. Karazy in his post regarding policies is doing nothing more than bring that to your attention. Don't forget. PWI has the final say on anything that goes on in their systems. Their systems, their rules. Even if you don't explicity break any of these rules they can still turf you out if they don't like you (they won't but they legally CAN).

But anywho, Karazy's policy post aside, see the highlighted part? That is the part that restricts what you can call yourself or post in forums. Forum names, character names and posts are considered 'content'. In short if people find it offensive, complain to PWI and tey determine the complaint is legit, then it is against ToS. See the "without limitation"? That it the magic wild card that lets them add ANYTHING THEY WANT to the ToS without explicitly writing them there. And everybody registered here agreed to it.

Like I said, I don't care what anyone wants to call themselves. BUT there are many here that are not as open-minded about that stuff as I am. And those are the ones that get you "Rock"ed.

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Here is what you should hav elooked at:




That's the ToS - things you are not allowed to do. And those are the things you agree to when you make an account. Karazy in his post regarding policies is doing nothing more than bring that to your attention. Don't forget. PWI has the final say on anything that goes on in their systems. Their systems, their rules. Even if you don't explicity break any of these rules they can still turf you out if they don't like you (they won't but they legally CAN).

But anywho, Karazy's policy post aside, see the highlighted part? That is the part that restricts what you can call yourself or post in forums. Forum names, character names and posts are considered 'content'. In short if people find it offensive, complain to PWI and tey determine the complaint is legit, then it is against ToS. See the "without limitation"? That it the magic wild card that lets them add ANYTHING THEY WANT to the ToS without explicitly writing them there. And everybody registered here agreed to it.

Like I said, I don't care what anyone wants to call themselves. BUT there are many here that are not as open-minded about that stuff as I am. And those are the ones that get you "Rock"ed.

The "without limitation", they cant apply it as they want anyway because some commercial laws would force them to refund all what ppl paid for, and there is some laws for protect us as costumers, you know, thats why GMs/moderators sign a close of confidentiality that if they touch those datas as our name, without purpose, the company can go on theyr asses directly and he would have to assume theyr mistakes directly to the costumers that he have did the mistakes
Like the modification of computing data, unfair trade practice, the TOS is for cover theyr asses, against ppl that want attack theyr company with letters or complains, but they cant go over laws that rules them and against investigations of authorities

Exemple: he touch my nickname, i dont contact PlW, but the authorities and complain about hacking, change of data or unfair trade practice, the authorities would invest PlW forced to gives the log and PlW would return against the GM in question for he gives his explainations about it + i heard he put name for troll costumers for they change it again and have to pay so its not legal at all

Also as I said above, till the name is politically correct, they cant touch the data for change it, if not, they have to delete it

+ what about these ppl with name as PUTA (b*tch), ZanCuloCabron (In the procurer ass), CabrON (procurer) ? 100% sure here those who report me actually LOLZ

2nd + nothing offensive in using JesusChrist has nickname, nor in a point of view theologic, nor secular.

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The "without limitation", they cant apply it as they want anyway because some commercial laws would force them to refund all what ppl paid for, and there is some laws for protect us as costumers, you know, thats why GMs/moderators sign a close of confidentiality that if they touch those datas as our name, without purpose, the company can go on theyr asses directly and he would have to assume theyr mistakes directly to the costumers that he have did the mistakes
Like the modification of computing data, unfair trade practice, the TOS is for cover theyr asses, against ppl that want attack theyr company with letters or complains, but they cant go over laws that rules them and against investigations of authorities

Exemple: he touch my nickname, i dont contact PlW, but the authorities and complain about hacking, change of data or unfair trade practice, the authorities would invest PlW forced to gives the log and PlW would return against the GM in question for he gives his explainations about it + i heard he put name for troll costumers for they change it again and have to pay so its not legal at all

Also as I said above, till the name is politically correct, they cant touch the data for change it, if not, they have to delete it

+ what about these ppl with name as PUTA (b*tch), ZanCuloCabron (In the procurer ass), CabrON (procurer) ? 100% sure here those who report me actually LOLZ

2nd + nothing offensive in using JesusChrist has nickname, nor in a point of view theologic, nor secular.

Oh you would be very surprised what that little "without limitation" lets them do. trust me. And everyone here agreed to it.

So tell me. If their wizzy's name to "Daffodil" what would you do about it? Sue them? Do you really think a judge would even listen to such a case especially when PWI has a pretty much all-encompassing ToS agreement? Do you think you have any recourse at all when they ban your account with no reasons given to you?

In the past 7 years hundreds of people have had their accounts shut down and not a one of them can do anything about it. And I am sure some of those accounts have had $1000 or more USD paid into them - without a single penny refunded. If these guys can do that, they can change your name on you if they feel it offends. It is not your decision whether they change your name on you. It is theirs. It is their system, their Rules, and as long as you agree to be bound by them they can do anything involving your accounts that they want within those rules "without limitation".

In your case all it would take is several people complaining that they are offended by your character's name and *poof!* you become "Daffodil".

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Oh you would be very surprised what that little "without limitation" lets them do. trust me. And everyone here agreed to it.

So tell me. If their wizzy's name to "Daffodil" what would you do about it? Sue them? Do you really think a judge would even listen to such a case especially when PWI has a pretty much all-encompassing ToS agreement? Do you think you have any recourse at all when they ban your account with no reasons given to you?

In the past 7 years hundreds of people have had their accounts shut down and not a one of them can do anything about it. And I am sure some of those accounts have had $1000 or more USD paid into them - without a single penny refunded. If these guys can do that, they can change your name on you if they feel it offends. It is not your decision whether they change your name on you. It is theirs. It is their system, their Rules, and as long as you agree to be bound by them they can do anything involving your accounts that they want within those rules "without limitation".

In your case all it would take is several people complaining that they are offended by your character's name and *poof!* you become "Daffodil".

I had the case before for "rohanopoly push", well they gave the reason, i accepted it, but the account, i can still modify the data on it, its just locked for infraction, they gave the reason on support but they didnt changed any datas, i can access to the payment done, my infos, ect, they CANT change that, its the Privacy Policy. As explained in Karazy's post, if they feel offended they cant just change the name as something they want for ppl have to buy a rename, its unfair commercial practices, + against the Privacy Policy

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I had the case before for "rohanopoly push", well they gave the reason, i accepted it, but the account, i can still modify the data on it, its just locked for infraction, they gave the reason on support but they didnt changed any datas, i can access to the payment done, my infos, ect, they CANT change that, its the Privacy Policy. As explained in Karazy's post, if they feel offended they cant just change the name as something they want for ppl have to buy a rename, its unfair commercial practices, + against the Privacy Policy

This is what Karazy posted...

I'm enforcing it NOW. It's been a rule that has always been in place, it's been up in our forums for over 4 years. I recently reviewed it and re-posted it for my players, and now it seems like it's being noticed. I will change names on the spot, to the most embarrassing things I can think of, for people that have inappropriate names against the rules that are up. Don't let me catch you with a nasty name, or you'll have a silly one instead!

See you in game!

That's what he said. Thing is that is is not an unfair business practice if you name your character something offensive and they change it to something silly. If you don't like the silly name you are free to buy a rename to something less offensive. You are not being forced to do that though. But their rules do say that you can't be running around with a nasty or offensive name. The fact that there are people running around now with nasty/offensive names only shows that PWI staff have been lax in the enforcement of their policies.

Now there is taking it too far. a huge number of names you find in forums/games will have roots in some kind of current or past religion. All of the Greek & Norse gods have been seen in MMOs. In fact a couple of my favorites are Nox and Loki. I've named a dekan in Rohan Abraxos (a play on the Greek god Abraxas - it was originally named Jiru but I changed it) - surprisingly i've seen it around recently.

The point I am making is that names are not offensive unless players complain to staff that they are. Staff like Karazy here will take it upon themselves to deal with the blatant ones if he feels the name is too offensive to let slide by. But as always, it is complaints being received by staff that will get them to investigate and handle the situation. After all no staff member wants to waste time on witchhunts.

[Sylfaen]

This is what Karazy posted...


That's what he said. Thing is that is is not an unfair business practice if you name your character something offensive and they change it to something silly. If you don't like the silly name you are free to buy a rename to something less offensive. You are not being forced to do that though. But their rules do say that you can't be running around with a nasty or offensive name. The fact that there are people running around now with nasty/offensive names only shows that PWI staff have been lax in the enforcement of their policies.

Now there is taking it too far. a huge number of names you find in forums/games will have roots in some kind of current or past religion. All of the Greek & Norse gods have been seen in MMOs. In fact a couple of my favorites are Nox and Loki. I've named a dekan in Rohan Abraxos (a play on the Greek god Abraxas - it was originally named Jiru but I changed it) - surprisingly i've seen it around recently.

The point I am making is that names are not offensive unless players complain to staff that they are. Staff like Karazy here will take it upon themselves to deal with the blatant ones if he feels the name is too offensive to let slide by. But as always, it is complaints being received by staff that will get them to investigate and handle the situation. After all no staff member wants to waste time on witchhunts.

Yes kinda

What is offensive about procurer? u obviously dont even know what it means if u would say that. U should look that 1 up in the dictionary. and the ass procurer is alot less offensive than JesusChrist. and yes JesusChrist should be changed, cuz regardless of ur beliefs it is a religious figure, and highly worshipped by a great many ppl. and JesusChrist u definately are not, u dont deserve that name

procurers are those who taxes bitches, its sexual, so against TOS (the old TOS)
JesusChrist is offensive ? u jelly bra ? more seriously since when in the Christianism using Jesus Christ in the art, name, and so on as a figure is a "crime" I know Muslim condemn ppl that use the prophet Mohamed or w.e and still use JC in the Coran, so if you want to enter in the weirds things of some religions we can open that debate... but u wont like it
+ I prooved by a + b that Jesus Christ isnt only religious so get over it kid

Cabron is not procurer. I loled sooo hard, its F*cker. Learn spanish kid.
ZanCuloCabron = Zan (Saint) Culo (A$$, A$$hole) Cabron (F*cker)

Learn your spanish!!!

Im not spanish at all lolz

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+ what about these ppl with name as PUTA (b*tch), ZanCuloCabron (In the procurer ass), CabrON (procurer)?

What is offensive about procurer? u obviously dont even know what it means if u would say that. U should look that 1 up in the dictionary. and the ass procurer is alot less offensive than JesusChrist. and yes JesusChrist should be changed, cuz regardless of ur beliefs it is a religious figure, and highly worshipped by a great many ppl. and JesusChrist u definately are not, u dont deserve that name