Atzigan, what about giving a compensation to Ran players

[OrdinoArcalis]

I've 6x dd but my point isn't that at all.

Why Jin or Ran should buy anything cause Atzigan gave to Pinoys free items and merge PH server here ?
Was it hard to make another slot and merge theyr server and shitty indo stuff there, + those upg those pinoys got has been sold in rmt by GMs of those servers so wtf ?

This company give back items here cause of Ph's company closed and try to make us pay for it since we all play here. It's retarded, we are here longer than them (Jin and Ran) and we have to adapt to those guys ? What is this for a shitty management ? I never saw such fucking bullshit.

It's like the biggest charity ever, Atzigan gave for free theyr items but the company can't afford a new server for those guys and oh, lets use the same server and we will make milk with those who still play here, and was here since like lets say 10 11 years ?
Who will give us back our money and items when this server close ? If you got the answer to that, tell me.

That's the retarded things I ever saw in my entire life, this company have no loyalty and no respect for us at all.

Okay, let's strip apart the trolls I'm usually doing over here on the forums. It shouldn't be tedious to understand what is actually happening. From the executives views, the situation is the following :

YNK/PlW did, since around 2 years, a chain of bad moves/decisions. They underestimated the hacking issue Leo and me reported to the GMs in late 2012. Not only they underestimated it, but they proved they were unable to stop it neither understand what was happening. From that point, instead of patching the client itself or the serverside (either with a complete rewrite of the client, either by rewriting the forge system) they chose the less expensive : patching gameguard, and proved again how they were a complete failure in managing that game.

What did the indos do ? They went on the repository of CheatEngine, took the sourcecode of CheatEngine, and modified it so CE would be undetected. Gameguard was just a pure pile of **** in terms of security. That's exactly what Lee and Awall did, and when it comes to a game where you have to throw hundred and hundred of dollars monthly, it's probably the best move. So for around 8 months, you saw two trends : people leaving that game because it was expensive, or people hacking. YellowLightz, Famous, Vindicated, Eclipse, e2n, StarGazers, and some other guilds did hack almost everything that was possible to hack. PlW income dropped suddenly to near zero.

Because due to the stupidity beyond levels of YNK/PlW and their irresponsible faith in GameGuard (or the greed, whatever you call it), almost every player was hacking. The few one that did not left. Then Nico came to uncover what was happening, and then zzerachiel came (a dev from a pserver, yeah) and explained them what was happening in the serverfiles and where to locate the hacked items. There has been a massive banwave, decimating the playerbase.

Playerbase was once decimated with the release of epics, and then was decimated one more time with the hacking issues. More than 4k hacked weapons got removed, and we don't even talk about the armors.

Not only that, but YNK released rohanopoly in such a way that it was possible to exploit it. Rohanopoly and the free coin system was very popular. Sadly, people exploited it. So YNK did a third banwave and closed Rohanopoly, leading a ton of players either to be banned again, either to leave.

After that, YNK decided to release those mfkin +200 chimera armor stones. Then released those +50 armor stones. Released again 50% scrolls. Released walter's medals, released talismans, released absolute patchs, and released upg bossdrops. By january of 2013, people had all left that game, when everyone was hitting more than 50k regulars against characters that had 60 to 80k hp.

What did YNK do ? They made Isen 6 months later, noticing no one was playing anymore. It lasted 1 month - one month and half, due to the stupidity of the CEOs. They made a server that was even more costly than Jin and Ran. One month of it, then people left again.

Aswell, due to the extremely low population, YNK even released a lot of accounts that had been banned one year before due to hacking, in the hope they would come back to play again.

So, as of everyone had left, they saw the pinoys as a way to re-populate the servers. They planned to merge Jin and Ran, and add the philippinos. From their point of view, it'd make the people play again, and would increase their income.

Bad move. Pinoys won't spend on iRohan. $1 = 45 philippine peso (PHP). 1k rps = $10 = 450php. Minimum Philippine salary is 1.200 PHP. Median salary is 28.000 PHP, which is roughly $600. Average salary is about $1000.

For any comparisons : $1 = 0.70 €... And I'm paid monthly 4.5k €

If myself, with that monthly salary, find that game expensive as hell, then Pinoys won't spend even one peso in this game. They simply can't.

Since they though they could take the pinoys as an income source, they merged all the equipments they had on Jin and Ran (supposedly as mistake). Bad news, they had weapons that were even stronger than epics and upgrades. Not only that, but by doing so they outright lied and screwed all the jin players. They all left, and there won't be even more than 10 people from Jin that are going to play. YNK doesn't watch the closed groups from facebook, but everyone is selling their stuff for real money. They are leaving.

Merging Jin and Ran suppose you release new upgrades to par the PH weapons. So, in order to get some incomes (and to force everyone spending), they did a slight (but useless) boost on weapons to quiet everyone. And they released weapons stronger than the actual epics/upgrades to force Ran players to buy them.

Bad news, people are quitting because they feel lied, cheated. And won't spend any cent in the new weapons because they obviously know not only that it's going to be unplayable but also that it's their opportunity to quit for good. Everyone's weapons and gears are useless, they all lost what they spent. They have no reason to stay over here, neither have a reason to spend in upg 2.0.


Conclusion : the executive's point of view is totally wrong, and they failed in almost everything they had to understand. Privates servers are going to have a lot of people, and no one is going to come back to play under that management.

PlW lost 95% of their playerbase this month, and cheap upg 2.0 won't make people come back. Good game, and great greedy milking management.

[DarkTuramus]

Okay, let's strip apart the trolls I'm usually doing over here on the forums. It shouldn't be tedious to understand what is actually happening. From the executives views, the situation is the following :

YNK/PlW did, since around 2 years, a chain of bad moves/decisions. They underestimated the hacking issue Leo and me reported to the GMs in late 2012. Not only they underestimated it, but they proved they were unable to stop it neither understand what was happening. From that point, instead of patching the client itself or the serverside (either with a complete rewrite of the client, either by rewriting the forge system) they chose the less expensive : patching gameguard, and proved again how they were a complete failure in managing that game.

What did the indos do ? They went on the repository of CheatEngine, took the sourcecode of CheatEngine, and modified it so CE would be undetected. Gameguard was just a pure pile of **** in terms of security. That's exactly what Lee and Awall did, and when it comes to a game where you have to throw hundred and hundred of dollars monthly, it's probably the best move. So for around 8 months, you saw two trends : people leaving that game because it was expensive, or people hacking. YellowLightz, Famous, Vindicated, Eclipse, e2n, StarGazers, and some other guilds did hack almost everything that was possible to hack. PlW income dropped suddenly to near zero.

Because due to the stupidity beyond levels of YNK/PlW and their irresponsible faith in GameGuard (or the greed, whatever you call it), almost every player was hacking. The few one that did not left. Then Nico came to uncover what was happening, and then zzerachiel came (a dev from a pserver, yeah) and explained them what was happening in the serverfiles and where to locate the hacked items. There has been a massive banwave, decimating the playerbase.

Playerbase was once decimated with the release of epics, and then was decimated one more time with the hacking issues. More than 4k hacked weapons got removed, and we don't even talk about the armors.

Not only that, but YNK released rohanopoly in such a way that it was possible to exploit it. Rohanopoly and the free coin system was very popular. Sadly, people exploited it. So YNK did a third banwave and closed Rohanopoly, leading a ton of players either to be banned again, either to leave.

After that, YNK decided to release those mfkin +200 chimera armor stones. Then released those +50 armor stones. Released again 50% scrolls. Released walter's medals, released talismans, released absolute patchs, and released upg bossdrops. By january of 2013, people had all left that game, when everyone was hitting more than 50k regulars against characters that had 60 to 80k hp.

What did YNK do ? They made Isen 6 months later, noticing no one was playing anymore. It lasted 1 month - one month and half, due to the stupidity of the CEOs. They made a server that was even more costly than Jin and Ran. One month of it, then people left again.

Aswell, due to the extremely low population, YNK even released a lot of accounts that had been banned one year before due to hacking, in the hope they would come back to play again.

So, as of everyone had left, they saw the pinoys as a way to re-populate the servers. They planned to merge Jin and Ran, and add the philippinos. From their point of view, it'd make the people play again, and would increase their income.

Bad move. Pinoys won't spend on iRohan. $1 = 45 philippine peso (PHP). 1k rps = $10 = 450php. Minimum Philippine salary is 1.200 PHP. Median salary is 28.000 PHP, which is roughly $600. Average salary is about $1000.

For any comparisons : $1 = 0.70 €... And I'm paid monthly 4.5k €

If myself, with that monthly salary, find that game expensive as hell, then Pinoys won't spend even one peso in this game. They simply can't.

Since they though they could take the pinoys as an income source, they merged all the equipments they had on Jin and Ran (supposedly as mistake). Bad news, they had weapons that were even stronger than epics and upgrades. Not only that, but by doing so they outright lied and screwed all the jin players. They all left, and there won't be even more than 10 people from Jin that are going to play. YNK doesn't watch the closed groups from facebook, but everyone is selling their stuff for real money. They are leaving.

Merging Jin and Ran suppose you release new upgrades to par the PH weapons. So, in order to get some incomes (and to force everyone spending), they did a slight (but useless) boost on weapons to quiet everyone. And they released weapons stronger than the actual epics/upgrades to force Ran players to buy them.

Bad news, people are quitting because they feel lied, cheated. And won't spend any cent in the new weapons because they obviously know not only that it's going to be unplayable but also that it's their opportunity to quit for good. Everyone's weapons and gears are useless, they all lost what they spent. They have no reason to stay over here, neither have a reason to spend in upg 2.0.


Conclusion : the executive's point of view is totally wrong, and they failed in almost everything they had to understand. Privates servers are going to have a lot of people, and no one is going to come back to play under that management.

PlW lost 95% of their playerbase this month, and cheap upg 2.0 won't make people come back. Good game, and great greedy milking management.

this Story is 100% true!!!

[Mariion]

this Story is 100% true!!!

yes actually it is 100% + pretty sure they closed Ph server because all "devs" of pserver were stealing patch and server game files from Ph servers, that's why all Pserver have Ph client exept Epic Rohan that have Tarrask as dev and took the files from here and still doing it cause YNK/PlW are still dumb enough to don't ban Danilo (heard he got finally banned ?) and remove Tarrask's access from this server and company files.

[ravendee]

this Story is 100% true!!!

Well I beg to differ from the both of you. For a start the way that game is being managed in iRohan is the same as it was in the Philippines; pretty much retarded. Every suggestion thrown in by players of the game are always "taken into consideration" and never really acted upon. So, this is 100% true.

For the second part, to us Filipino players we saw the game as a money generating business by Level Up Ph when Rohan Ph was still online then and for some people in the Ph who have transferred to iRohan they found the game to be "playable to some degree, but not sustainable".

Because for Filipino players who earn a meager minimum wage(if it can be called minimum wage at all)it's too expensive for some of my Kababayans and for those who would still try to play the game as a community within the game we as Filipinos try our best to help each other out.

PWI thought that by bringing over Pinoy Rohan players left stranded when the game closed in the Philippines as a good move business wise. To us Ph players, we thought of it as kind or a good gesture whatever it is that you want to call it, but after reading through the threads; it sad to realize that we were being used as pawns(if you look at it, really makes a whole lot of sense, repopulate with fresh players to drum up interest again) by PWI.

Don't get me wrong I am not "cleansing my hands" regarding Ph players characters being transferred over to iRohan, I tried to have my 110 character moved to iRohan but that hasn't happened and I guess it never will(because the stats of my equipped items were too high so-to-speak).

Even before an invitation was sent by YNK/PWI to RPh players I already have a characters set up here and started from the bottom and I went back into grinding like in the good old days of Rohan Ph. Even before I switched to iRohan there were already a pocket of Filipino players actually spending a serious amount of money into the game. I am literally spending a whole lot of money into the game too, which is more than the minimum wage in the Philippines.

For the benefit for those who are unaware, the minimum wage in the Philippines is around $400.00 per month so that would be $4,800/year(not that big but we can get by on that amount believe you me) now a tiny amount of it can be put into the game but, since we(Pinoys) help each other out by making them(noobs) borrow items and equipment, they are able to play the game and soon enough, get to generate crones or e-cash of their own. That is the way that we go around pricey part of the game.

As for the Pinoy hackers(I know there are some out there)the price point for the game is really a good deterrent for the most part those who hacked the games in the Philippines were individual not willing to spend a single amount into playing the game. They were able to go around it by selling hacked items to Ph players back then which, led to the closure of Rohan Ph. It maybe naive of me to say this, hopefully those hackers in my country won't be able to do it here at iRohan. If they do, anyhow their accounts will be closed pretty much, I think.

But for the sake of argument, anybody in the Philippines who will be able and is willing to play iRohan no matter how much it costs will play the game, regardless of their pay-grade. Because within the game itself We have a support system. We look out for each other to the point of lending actual money to fellow Filipino players so they can enjoy the game. We shun our Kababayans who would try to screw with us but, we will be willing to take back an erring Ph player back in, so long as they behave.

So "Bad move. Pinoys won't spend on iRohan. $1 = 45 philippine peso (PHP). 1k rps = $10 = 450php. Minimum Philippine salary is 1.200 PHP. Median salary is 28.000 PHP, which is roughly $600. Average salary is about $1000." is actually not true.

[eikniwt]

As for the Pinoy hackers(I know there are some out there)the price point for the game is really a good deterrent for the most part those who hacked the games in the Philippines were individual not willing to spend a single amount into playing the game. They were able to go around it by selling hacked items to Ph players back then which, led to the closure of Rohan Ph. It maybe naive of me to say this, hopefully those hackers in my country won't be able to do it here at iRohan. If they do, anyhow their accounts will be closed pretty much, I think.

It took one year for YNK to bust out YellowLightz cheating activities so i no worry. Lol.

And you're wrong. Most of the gears come from game parlors and aren't "shareable" or tradeable. Even if you help out each other to be """""geared""""" it won't work.

[xXxAurorAxXx]

Okay, let's strip apart the trolls I'm usually doing over here on the forums. It shouldn't be tedious to understand what is actually happening. From the executives views, the situation is the following :

YNK/PlW did, since around 2 years, a chain of bad moves/decisions. They underestimated the hacking issue Leo and me reported to the GMs in late 2012. Not only they underestimated it, but they proved they were unable to stop it neither understand what was happening. From that point, instead of patching the client itself or the serverside (either with a complete rewrite of the client, either by rewriting the forge system) they chose the less expensive : patching gameguard, and proved again how they were a complete failure in managing that game.

What did the indos do ? They went on the repository of CheatEngine, took the sourcecode of CheatEngine, and modified it so CE would be undetected. Gameguard was just a pure pile of **** in terms of security. That's exactly what Lee and Awall did, and when it comes to a game where you have to throw hundred and hundred of dollars monthly, it's probably the best move. So for around 8 months, you saw two trends : people leaving that game because it was expensive, or people hacking. YellowLightz, Famous, Vindicated, Eclipse, e2n, StarGazers, and some other guilds did hack almost everything that was possible to hack. PlW income dropped suddenly to near zero.

Because due to the stupidity beyond levels of YNK/PlW and their irresponsible faith in GameGuard (or the greed, whatever you call it), almost every player was hacking. The few one that did not left. Then Nico came to uncover what was happening, and then zzerachiel came (a dev from a pserver, yeah) and explained them what was happening in the serverfiles and where to locate the hacked items. There has been a massive banwave, decimating the playerbase.

Playerbase was once decimated with the release of epics, and then was decimated one more time with the hacking issues. More than 4k hacked weapons got removed, and we don't even talk about the armors.

Not only that, but YNK released rohanopoly in such a way that it was possible to exploit it. Rohanopoly and the free coin system was very popular. Sadly, people exploited it. So YNK did a third banwave and closed Rohanopoly, leading a ton of players either to be banned again, either to leave.

After that, YNK decided to release those mfkin +200 chimera armor stones. Then released those +50 armor stones. Released again 50% scrolls. Released walter's medals, released talismans, released absolute patchs, and released upg bossdrops. By january of 2013, people had all left that game, when everyone was hitting more than 50k regulars against characters that had 60 to 80k hp.

What did YNK do ? They made Isen 6 months later, noticing no one was playing anymore. It lasted 1 month - one month and half, due to the stupidity of the CEOs. They made a server that was even more costly than Jin and Ran. One month of it, then people left again.

Aswell, due to the extremely low population, YNK even released a lot of accounts that had been banned one year before due to hacking, in the hope they would come back to play again.

So, as of everyone had left, they saw the pinoys as a way to re-populate the servers. They planned to merge Jin and Ran, and add the philippinos. From their point of view, it'd make the people play again, and would increase their income.

Bad move. Pinoys won't spend on iRohan. $1 = 45 philippine peso (PHP). 1k rps = $10 = 450php. Minimum Philippine salary is 1.200 PHP. Median salary is 28.000 PHP, which is roughly $600. Average salary is about $1000.

For any comparisons : $1 = 0.70 €... And I'm paid monthly 4.5k €

If myself, with that monthly salary, find that game expensive as hell, then Pinoys won't spend even one peso in this game. They simply can't.

Since they though they could take the pinoys as an income source, they merged all the equipments they had on Jin and Ran (supposedly as mistake). Bad news, they had weapons that were even stronger than epics and upgrades. Not only that, but by doing so they outright lied and screwed all the jin players. They all left, and there won't be even more than 10 people from Jin that are going to play. YNK doesn't watch the closed groups from facebook, but everyone is selling their stuff for real money. They are leaving.

Merging Jin and Ran suppose you release new upgrades to par the PH weapons. So, in order to get some incomes (and to force everyone spending), they did a slight (but useless) boost on weapons to quiet everyone. And they released weapons stronger than the actual epics/upgrades to force Ran players to buy them.

Bad news, people are quitting because they feel lied, cheated. And won't spend any cent in the new weapons because they obviously know not only that it's going to be unplayable but also that it's their opportunity to quit for good. Everyone's weapons and gears are useless, they all lost what they spent. They have no reason to stay over here, neither have a reason to spend in upg 2.0.


Conclusion : the executive's point of view is totally wrong, and they failed in almost everything they had to understand. Privates servers are going to have a lot of people, and no one is going to come back to play under that management.

PlW lost 95% of their playerbase this month, and cheap upg 2.0 won't make people come back. Good game, and great greedy milking management.

This is the smartest post I've read in these forums in a long time.

At this point people should be taking a huge step backwards and take a good look at the state of this game. We/ you are being ripped of left right and center and this latest sever merge/ new weps just proves it. They dont give a rats a$$ about what people want here and when told they do the exact opposite time and time again...

Just look at that survey we all did a few months ago. Were any of the suggestions in that thread taken into consideration and actually implemented? No. Well tell a lie. I think a costume or 2 was added and not a whole lot of anything else was heard.

As sad as it is, this game has gone to the dogs and people need to let it go. Its come to the point where there is no turning back from the damage that's been done.

I haven't played in 5 weeks or longer and I thought about keeping my chars and maybe returning someday, but I've come to the point now where I don't even want to. My chars will be deleted tomorrow (To save any temptation of ever returning) and any items (how ever useless) will be given to someone who has had a large impact on my Rohan history

[4effo]

This is the smartest post I've read in these forums in a long time.

At this point people should be taking a huge step backwards and take a good look at the state of this game. We/ you are being ripped of left right and center and this latest sever merge/ new weps just proves it. They dont give a rats a$$ about what people want here and when told they do the exact opposite time and time again...

Just look at that survey we all did a few months ago. Were any of the suggestions in that thread taken into consideration and actually implemented? No. Well tell a lie. I think a costume or 2 was added and not a whole lot of anything else was heard.

As sad as it is, this game has gone to the dogs and people need to let it go. Its come to the point where there is no turning back from the damage that's been done.

I haven't played in 5 weeks or longer and I thought about keeping my chars and maybe returning someday, but I've come to the point now where I don't even want to. My chars will be deleted tomorrow (To save any temptation of ever returning) and any items (how ever useless) will be given to someone who has had a large impact on my Rohan history

Girl dont do this!! Just come back raidcall :\

[xXxAurorAxXx]

Girl dont do this!! Just come back raidcall :\

I wont leave rc and will still linger around the forums every so often, but yea, as far as the game goes ~ its my time to leave again.

[OrdinoArcalis]

I wont leave rc and will still linger around the forums every so often, but yea, as far as the game goes ~ its my time to leave again.

*THH approves that decision*

[xXxAurorAxXx]

*THH approves that decision*

wait what? ;o