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[EaglePhoenix]

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Or might it just mean that people got more critical and dont even bother joining such servers? To say it with your words: "Go figure".



There is no point to stay on a sinking ship the one or the other way. Even tho iRohan has its regulations, there's still no point in staying. Its like chosing between a pile of **** and a pile of **** with additional flies.
Yet, why would you care for regulations if you get the cruise for free.
You can play private servers pretty well without spending a single penny, at least the "good" ones. You'll just make yourself a good time, even tho its not guaranteed to last forever, but on the other hand what acctually lasts forever?


It seems you havnt understood what I was saying since the story with egg and chicken simply cant be compared with this. If its just about you saying such a thing just for the sake of saying something at all, I guess i can just skip this.
However, iRohan was first, nothing against it. PServers exist because of the game. No problem aswell, quiet obvious. But that doesnt have anything to do with the fact of PWi taking ideas from private servers and implementing them over here. You are talking about apples while I am talking about peaches.



Thats nice, however, like I've been pointing out before, PJ wasnt advertising neither was ishtaria.
Just because I use the word "coke" in a sentence doesnt mean im advertising coca cola.





Im always in on a good discussion, tho, I hate to keep iterating on the same stuff over and over again.

But the question in place would be, is there still any need to push this discussion any further?

People got more critical towards private servers, sure - though one can only wonder how that comes. Perhaps because the first big promise turned out to be one big disappointment and to be exactly the counterpart of what it wanted to conquer: corruption and rip-offs, aside of improving general gameplay of course. The people developing a game might not have money as their greatest motivation - the ones running the game/servers, however, usually do. I have yet to see one that is different. Is this one it? Who's to tell? The ones running it this time? That's hardly an objective answer.
The first rohan server with purely players content at heart? Possible, but not probable.

True enough, nothing is forever, but I recall the last time being rather very short. It resembled more Game of Thrones behind its scenes than anything else.

Like I said before, a private server isn't bad per se - the idea's are usually good since it builds from what already existed. It's always easier to improve something than to build something up from scratch. Not to mention that, over the course of several years since OBT, there have surfaced enough other mmo's from which certain idea's can be integrated. The only issue here is that, whereas the idea's are good, the management usually isn't. Which brings us back to iRohan or Rohan in general.

Advertising, and thus the act of informing your targeted audience by providing them the albeit biased information, which must by necessity be incomplete, not discussing everything there is to know about the subject with the basic purpose to identify and differentiate one product (or hence, service) from another in order to persuade the 'consumer' to buy or make use of said product/service in preference to another.

But you're saying that the comparison of the facebook likes, followed by a post which contained a link to said forums was not there to differentiate this server with private servers nor that the need exists to inform people in order to gain more viewers (and thus possibly clients) and, by pointing out the serious lack of facebook-likes on iRohan and the above comments do not hold any intent to persuade people to go for (actual free to play) private servers in
preference to the 'heavily pay-to-win, grow money on your backs' kind and to specifically induce on this certain aspect of it?

There are ways to have a good discussion - regardless of the re-iteration, which is mostly needed due to things being either ignored or misunderstood.

The following here below is a bad example of a discussion that does not need to be pushed any further - and is the example of the small difference between a discussion and flame.
Which, by example, I can as easily join as any other civilized discussion. One could call it being flexible.

Not sure where you get the idea a PUN is supposed to be grammatical. Maybe you are butt hurt because you are having to stay at a server that has long ago stopped being anything but a black hole down which all your money disappears.

Perhaps I would be bitter in your shoes too. After all, if all your pals here find better places to game, you will be left here all alone - until PWi finally throws up their hands and shuts down.

But I am not in your shoes. I don't have to nitpick at puns to make myself feel better about having this as my only life.
I do have fun and fulfilling things to do with my time to the point that I only bother to troll here once every several months. And when I do, who do I see pounding on his "holier than thou" grammar bible? EaglePhoenix! So sad little man.

Congratulations on your >10000 posts trolling the bulletin board of a game that has one foot in the grave & the other on a banana peel. You truly the spamming toll extraordinaire! Take a bow.

You still have not proven in any way, shape or form that we had advertised a private server ON THIS FORUM. Calling my pun 'advertising' is a joke. Calling Ish's link to some gaming forums 'advertising' is a joke. Come on and show us some real proof!

And my pun? IT WAS IN FLUENT GRAMMATICAL MELMACIAN.

I don't 'have' to stay anywhere, moreover - I hadn't logged for about 1.5y and hadn't actually 'played' for almost 2 years before Isen, nor did I actually post on the forums for several months and on rare occasions, besides.

Being in my shoes isn't all bad though, at least I'm still potent - it makes up for all your aforementioned. For someone that's retired and does nothing else but sitting behind a desk from sunrise till dawn (old people generally need less sleep, the older they get) - talking about the lack of 'life' is quite the irony.

Those long periods in between your logging, is it really because you can't be bothered or is it in between changing diapers?

Sad little man? Here you are, retired - old but hanging around with the youngsters. Does it keep you young? Talking about having a foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel..

What is more to prove than what already has been said.


This is as much fun to me as it is to you. One could only wonder who exactly you're trying to convince this is actually fun to you? Us or yourself?

Considering those 10k+ posts, one can only assume I actually do enjoy this. One would be daft to go on like this for over 10k posts without actually enjoying it. That'd be sad, indeed.




See, I can do this too. It's even easier than coming up with some actual arguments - probably also the reason why so many people do it, anyway.
P.s.: your definition of stalking is way off - but then again, we both know how well you do with grammar and stuff.

[Yurneroo]

People got more critical towards private servers, sure - though one can only wonder how that comes. Perhaps because the first big promise turned out to be one big disappointment and to be exactly the counterpart of what it wanted to conquer: corruption and rip-offs, aside of improving general gameplay of course.

1. I acctually dont bother with how it came or what happened since im simply not involved with it. I admit there were lots of private servers just wanting to do fast and easy money. However, im more interested in the acctual result, namely players being more critical towards random servers which pop out of nowhere and go like the same way. Therefore, nowadays money grabbing servers simply dont work anymore, which is more than fine. Even tho they still exists from time to time, they dont work out.

2. If you mean zRohan/XorRohan by that, I've gotta say I've enjoyed the time it was up. It was more fun than all the years I've been spending on iRohan, regardless of the fast shutdown of course. Still, it was fun all over.

The people developing a game might not have money as their greatest motivation - the ones running the game/servers, however, usually do. I have yet to see one that is different. Is this one it? Who's to tell? The ones running it this time? That's hardly an objective answer.
The first rohan server with purely players content at heart? Possible, but not probable.

Well, believe it or not but its true. Previous servers were simply hosted by people not involved with development at all or at least ones which were just money hungry. We are not since we are all developers and we acctually want to do a change in order to provide the best experience possible. Developers which always dreamed about a professional balanced server/game wont go down the PWi path.

Like I said before, a private server isn't bad per se - the idea's are usually good since it builds from what already existed. It's always easier to improve something than to build something up from scratch. Not to mention that, over the course of several years since OBT, there have surfaced enough other mmo's from which certain idea's can be integrated. The only issue here is that, whereas the idea's are good, the management usually isn't. Which brings us back to iRohan or Rohan in general.

Agreed.

But you're saying that the comparison of the facebook likes, followed by a post which contained a link to said forums was not there to differentiate this server with private servers nor that the need exists to inform people in order to gain more viewers (and thus possibly clients) and, by pointing out the serious lack of facebook-likes on iRohan and the above comments do not hold any intent to persuade people to go for (actual free to play) private servers in
preference to the 'heavily pay-to-win, grow money on your backs' kind and to specifically induce on this certain aspect of it?

Im not seeing it as advertisement, those were simply troll posts. Why aint it advertisement? Simple, there is no audience over here to speak to. There wont be players turning their back on iRohan just to join a private server because some pun or backlink to a forum section which generates more traffic than PWi's facebook. After all the people around here just sank way to much money into this game to just leave it.
Take it as troll posts.

[EaglePhoenix]

Im not seeing it as advertisement, those were simply troll posts. Why aint it advertisement? Simple, there is no audience over here to speak to. There wont be players turning their back on iRohan just to join a private server because some pun or backlink to a forum section which generates more traffic than PWi's facebook. After all the people around here just sank way to much money into this game to just leave it.
Take it as troll posts.

The reason I'm disagreeing with this is because there are still over 100 people browsing these forums on a daily basis. At the Isen -start, that audience reached over 200 people. Granted, not all of them play rohan (e.g.: Seal Online) and some of them are (google)bots - deducting those, still leaves you a 'fair' amount of possible viewers.
That there really won't be any current players turning their backs on this is stretching it quite far. If, so to speak, I decide right here to quit this and join this private-server once it opens, since I can now easily track its progress through said link.. then this whole assumption just become moot.

There are, indeed, people who've spent enormous amounts of money, albeit irresponsible. Though, I'm quite certain there are also the ones who never did. Taking me as an example, I've played for a very long time - but never invested all that much. Sure, if you count it all up through the course of the years, it might get past the 3-400 dollars - but given the timespan, that's hardly a lot. Some people spent that on a monthly or bi-weekly basis.
But just look at Jin - countless of those BIG moneyspenders - and it is now deserted. Why did some even get back on Isen or why did they ever leave Jin to begin with? Considering their expenses over there?

I'm from the opinion that the least you 'root' yourself into something - the more fun it gives you as you don't feel 'forced' to continue what you are doing. This, of course, doesn't go for all things in life but imho suits well for mmorpg's.

One could regard me as a special person - or with special needs if one insists - but I'm fairly certain that I'm not THAT unique that I'm the sole person (still) around, who hasn't spent all that much.

[PenguinJoe]

I don't 'have' to stay anywhere, moreover - I hadn't logged for about 1.5y and hadn't actually 'played' for almost 2 years before Isen, nor did I actually post on the forums for several months and on rare occasions, besides.

Being in my shoes isn't all bad though, at least I'm still potent - it makes up for all your aforementioned. For someone that's retired and does nothing else but sitting behind a desk from sunrise till dawn (old people generally need less sleep, the older they get) - talking about the lack of 'life' is quite the irony.

Those long periods in between your logging, is it really because you can't be bothered or is it in between changing diapers?

Sad little man? Here you are, retired - old but hanging around with the youngsters. Does it keep you young? Talking about having a foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel..

What is more to prove than what already has been said.


This is as much fun to me as it is to you. One could only wonder who exactly you're trying to convince this is actually fun to you? Us or yourself?

Considering those 10k+ posts, one can only assume I actually do enjoy this. One would be daft to go on like this for over 10k posts without actually enjoying it. That'd be sad, indeed.


See, I can do this too. It's even easier than coming up with some actual arguments - probably also the reason why so many people do it, anyway.
P.s.: your definition of stalking is way off - but then again, we both know how well you do with grammar and stuff.

That the best you got? It is pretty lame when all you can do is make age jokes to cover your insecurity and the fact that you can't prove your claims.

Skate around the issue all you want. You still haven't proven squat.

Is it that guy Ishtaria?

Yeah that's one of Ish's alter egos

If he is looking and he is a vice-ceo of the playwith interactive overseas (in korea) he better spend his time here and read our "prays" to balance this game out and increase the population instead on epvp with pservers.

Playwith Interactive (PlayWithi / PWi) is an American subsidiary of Playwith Korea based in California. Steve is COO of PWi. PWi is a licensee of YNK Korea's R.O.H.A.N. Used to be a wholly owned subsidiary, but now they are a separate entity and host several games produced by a number of publishers.

While PWi can configure the game and make incremental changes to it, they can't fix bugs. For bug fixes they depend on YNK for bug fixes and base code changes. They just don't have the expertise or source-level access to make real game changes.

These days Mr. Lee is more interested in removing competition that might lure his players away. So he trolls places like epvpers and other sites looking for new private servers opening and sending out DMCA takedown requests to their hosts.

[carnettsc]

Playwith Interactive (PlayWithi / PWi) is an American subsidiary of Playwith Korea based in California. Steve is COO of PWi. PWi is a licensee of YNK Korea's R.O.H.A.N. Used to be a wholly owned subsidiary, but now they are a separate entity and host several games produced by a number of publishers.

While PWi can configure the game and make incremental changes to it, they can't fix bugs. For bug fixes they depend on YNK for bug fixes and base code changes. They just don't have the expertise or source-level access to make real game changes.

These days Mr. Lee is more interested in removing competition that might lure his players away. So he trolls places like epvpers and other sites looking for new private servers opening and sending out DMCA takedown requests to their hosts.

Does it mean if PWi had devs they could fix bugs/could rewrite sourcecode/rewrite or change blunt mastery formula without approval from Korea ? I highly doubt.

[Kraszer]

Playwith Interactive (PlayWithi / PWi) is an American subsidiary of Playwith Korea based in California. Steve is COO of PWi. PWi is a licensee of YNK Korea's R.O.H.A.N. Used to be a wholly owned subsidiary, but now they are a separate entity and host several games produced by a number of publishers.

While PWi can configure the game and make incremental changes to it, they can't fix bugs. For bug fixes they depend on YNK for bug fixes and base code changes. They just don't have the expertise or source-level access to make real game changes.

Like you said pwi in America is a susidiary of those in Korea, but in difference that Koreans have full right to it and only they can fix anything, if Steve is COO of PWi that it means he is a translator and can talk with them to make this game better. Still license for PWi here is one thing, fixing bugs is another, the license is only given prolly to host the games or make contracts with other hosters which may host as well, like PH rohan.

These days Mr. Lee is more interested in removing competition that might lure his players away. So he trolls places like epvpers and other sites looking for new private servers opening and sending out DMCA takedown requests to their hosts.

Private server means one, that his "mother" (main game) sucks so badly that players need to configure the game and make it more and fair balance. But still instead of sending those DMCA of stolen source of the game code they should fix their main game here, so the privates could stop one day.

[PenguinJoe]

Private server means one, that his "mother" (main game) sucks so badly that players need to configure the game and make it more and fair balance. But still instead of sending those DMCA of stolen source of the game code they should fix their main game here, so the privates could stop one day.

Very true. If PWi's server were actually good and satisfying to most of its players, people would not feel the need to look elsewhere.
Private servers thrive on dissatisfied players that leave here disgusted. If players were satisfied here, private servers would die off because nobody would want to leave.
It takes a lot more than putting out a 'wiped' server with the same load of overpriced, overpowered goods and unbalanced skill crap.

When players cry that they can't play because the overpowered classes are wiping up the board with them, what does PWi do? Put out more overpowered crap and unbalance things even further.

Players don't like that and if the management here would only take the time to look at what they did in the past, read the forums and look at the player base after those changes they would see what works and what doesn't. Unfortunately the selling of that overpowered crap is what keeps this game alive and as long as that happens, things won't change.