Hello.

[EaglePhoenix]

Since you are a big spender, Ran/Jin is the place to be. They are selling upgrades every month so you will have a happy place to spend all that cash.

Your view of spending is still flawed.
Whereas an upgrade may cost a decent amount of rps, you are still more likely to spend a whole lot more on Isen over time.

[totoa]

Mmm depends, if you have the time to make it to most PA's and have chars farming you can get almost everything you need without having to spend rps, aside from an initial amount to gear up your lowbies. I say this form experience I only bought armor/weapon stones couple times,but I could make to PA almost every day with 2-3 chars every time. This doesnt take into account the cost of reinforcing, which is a lot higher on Isen since the rates are so bad.

[BananaBandit]

Your view of spending is still flawed.
Whereas an upgrade may cost a decent amount of rps, you are still more likely to spend a whole lot more on Isen over time.

If you have deep pockets Ran/Jin has a much higher cost of entry. Anybody that wants to enjoy playing there will be spending $80+ US on at lease one upgrade weapon. Add that much again if you want more than one.Then to buy all the other latest armor, accs, pets and other crap you need to survive in Ran/Jin and you have dropped at least $200 US just to get in the door. It doesn't stop there. You will still spend $50+ US every month for the scrolls, ASES and other powerups you will need to stay viable. That ongoing cost will be hither in Isen. By how much more per month I don't know, but you are not dropping that money up front just to get in the door.

But yes, you are correct. Isen isn't cheap either and the ongoing costs top play there are higher indeed.

You will spend a hella lot of money regardless of which server you go in. I just think you will enjoy your time in Ran/Jin more because you will be more powerful to start with and there is at least some PvP there. If you have the deep pockets it takes for the startup costs.

[ShadowAce]

Isen is 100x as expensive as here old man. Why would anyone have RNJESUS decide if they can be a factor or not when you can just buy an upgrade. Reinforcing rings is no easy task on ran/jin either but its way easier than on isen.

[BananaBandit]

Why is it more expensive in Isen? Look at what you have been saying about Isen:

1. Rates suck
2. Drops suck
3. No pvp happening anywhere

Looking at that I don't see why it would cost more to play in Isen. Isen has become a server that appeals to the PvE player. For PvE you dont need the best gear accessories and pets. You are not a failure if you don't have the best of everything because mobs simply don't care if your do or not. Yiou gear up to make your PvE gameplay easier. That gear does not need to be up to PvP standards. And since there really is no PvP to speak of, nobody cares if your lvl 115 is running around in Edwins as long as you can survive your farming & leveling.

In RanJin, nobody goes there for the PvE game aspects. How many farmers are left in RanJin? The EM is as dead as the server with very few people willing to buy & sell stuff. RanJin is pretty much pure PvP now. For PvP you need the best weapons, armor, accessories, pets and anything else you can get your hands on. You need scrolls coming out of your ears. You need buiffs from everybody that will give you them.

So what is more expensive? Gearing and maintaining for PvP or PvE?

[StrOwnz]

Essentially you can get to the point where you dont need to spend. Look at old forever. Their core didnt have to spend jack on the game. They were also able to make new better gears sell off their old gears and continue to make money.

Also you still need to have some pretty beast gear for pve. Donno if you have been to gratt treasury yet or not. With 30k hp, I get 1shot there, with epic katars and lvl 3 lion. Sure I dont have my rings completely sorted yet. But still 1shot by mobs. Thats if I wanna try and get onyx armors. Bosses will destroy you if you dont have good gear. If you wanna do things for effeciency you will have to spend for pve and pvp.

You also dont need to drop x amount of money to get in the door. You do have the option to simply level up by hand. Or hunter kit for that matter. No one is forcing you to spend money at any point. Once again be it for pve or pvp. You eventually need gears to make the game easier. I remember playing the game with rares. That **** sucked. I remember when it took 6-8 months just to hit level 60. I remember when the first players hit 99, and 110. I remember the first time zeitgiest, silva, beze, and ruler died.

If people going to be rollin in **** gear they better roll 100 deep in a boss room cause they just going to get wiped.

[EaglePhoenix]

Why is it more expensive in Isen? Look at what you have been saying about Isen:

1. Rates suck
2. Drops suck
3. No pvp happening anywhere

Looking at that I don't see why it would cost more to play in Isen. Isen has become a server that appeals to the PvE player. For PvE you dont need the best gear accessories and pets. You are not a failure if you don't have the best of everything because mobs simply don't care if your do or not. Yiou gear up to make your PvE gameplay easier. That gear does not need to be up to PvP standards. And since there really is no PvP to speak of, nobody cares if your lvl 115 is running around in Edwins as long as you can survive your farming & leveling.

In RanJin, nobody goes there for the PvE game aspects. How many farmers are left in RanJin? The EM is as dead as the server with very few people willing to buy & sell stuff. RanJin is pretty much pure PvP now. For PvP you need the best weapons, armor, accessories, pets and anything else you can get your hands on. You need scrolls coming out of your ears. You need buiffs from everybody that will give you them.

So what is more expensive? Gearing and maintaining for PvP or PvE?

As a person who's been neglecting to invest massively into (online) games for various reasons, who's been playing this game for many a year and that mainly focused on the PvE aspects of said game.. who has been playing on all servers incl. pre-merge single servers, first merge, second merge, epic release up till first upgrade release, onto Divinity into Jin to strand in Isen..

I did a lot of different things compared to most in regards to option usage, to be able to optimize pvE at lowest cost. Granted, not as much as GNYU..

..I can safely say, you're wrong.


p.s.:

What pvE aspect is there again?

They have increased mob damage in extremis, so you need IM
They have lowered drop rates in extremis - and this is the rate after many community cry outs to up the drop rates since it was near non-existent at the start.
Forge rates.. well, do they even exist?

If it does not drop, you cannot forge it.
Farm crones you say and buy from magic shop? Ok then.

Oh wait, you can't farm if no gear. Somehow, say you're lucky and win the jackpot in crones and you buy those parts from the magic shop (why don't you buy the chimera armor instead..), then what?
You can't forge it. Well, you can try. But to avoid losing them (and you will) you obviously need IM. Not once, not twice..whoever actually tried - help me count here.

Ok, so you're that one in a million person that gets lucky and manages to get all of the above [at this point I feel with you for wasting that luck on this, rather than filling out that Lottery ticket in your back-pocket]
Now what?
Let's go farm in it?
- *goes purple named mobs like any other server* .. *dies instantly* umph
- *goes orange named mobs instead* .. .. sorry, press that confirm button already.
- *white named mobs??*.. okay then, *pulls a 2 or 3 and dies*
- ...
- Blue named? Pretty please? Puppy eyes? No? Perhaps you can handle this. With a party and a healer.

^-- BTW the above is outside of a dungeon, if you were in any doubt.

Same gear, other server, you can do the farming/grinding with closed eyes.




So, there's chimera. Cool, you can buy it with crones, you get crones from event.. you get Chimera 'for free'. Freeride all the way to 90!
Actually no.

Free ride for the first couple levels.. but hey, this gear levels with you! You don't ever need any new armor all the way up till 110!
If you socket it.

You want pvE - well, how about armor defense spirit stones? Oh wait, they don't sell those because that would mean you wouldn't need all the other spiritstones.
Oh well, damage drop it is then and leech.. oh, coincidentally that's also the most expensive ones. That's odd.

Okay, so how much costs this again? Per week? Ugh, okay let's top up the account and buy some.
*inserts into socket* .... *fail - spirit stone has been destroyed* - wait, what?

The need for them exponentially rises with your level. By the time you're there, you as good as need to socket all of them. Yeah.






Wait, there's more? You need SES's, costumes, accessories and all that stuff as well? Who said $50 again?





Oh, btw, you can also plus your gear *hint hint* all the way up to +12 and then again all the way up to +12 isn't that awesome?


No it isn't.


yes this is exaggerated. Proof me otherwise though.I got fooled with this server, but I'm not going to admit it where ShadowAce can read it.
Also, it's RNGesus not RNJesus -.-'






WTB upgrade.


Motherf*****s



don't be so serious


Edit: Yes, I realize my PS is way bigger than my actual message. Deal with it.

Also, don't get me wrong.. I like a "challenge" of some sorts. I despise the (legal) botting system and reckon a game should be played and not "afk'd".. but lol. Just lol.

[bloodybladez3]

From the site's guide:



This is undeniable proof that YNK has no clue what the bare minimum expectations for PvE are. A lvl 98 unforged sword, Appentium Chest and Tasset, lvl 30 unforged shield, Froianne Gauntlets... is he trying to kill mobs in Ahkma or Roha?

[BananaBandit]

From the site's guide:



This is undeniable proof that YNK has no clue what the bare minimum expectations for PvE are. A lvl 98 unforged sword, Appentium Chest and Tasset, lvl 30 unforged shield, Froianne Gauntlets... is he trying to kill mobs in Ahkma or Roha?

Yeah, but he didn't spend a dime to do it

But, do you need an upgrade weapon, +12 boss drops, best armor in the game, all your skills at lvl 7, every external buff you can find and top pets along +30 damage scrolls for do PvE? While it might be nice, it really ain't necessary to effectively farm or level yourself. Do you need 200k HP, or need to crit 200k PvP damage for PvE?

Sorry guys - haven't played in 2 years. I have no idea what the latest and greatest gear in these servers are. I only know you only need the most expensive crap for PvP - not PvE. Didn't back then. You don't now.

[ShadowAce]

Why is it more expensive in Isen? Look at what you have been saying about Isen:

1. Rates suck
2. Drops suck
3. No pvp happening anywhere

Looking at that I don't see why it would cost more to play in Isen. Isen has become a server that appeals to the PvE player. For PvE you dont need the best gear accessories and pets. You are not a failure if you don't have the best of everything because mobs simply don't care if your do or not. Yiou gear up to make your PvE gameplay easier. That gear does not need to be up to PvP standards. And since there really is no PvP to speak of, nobody cares if your lvl 115 is running around in Edwins as long as you can survive your farming & leveling.

In RanJin, nobody goes there for the PvE game aspects. How many farmers are left in RanJin? The EM is as dead as the server with very few people willing to buy & sell stuff. RanJin is pretty much pure PvP now. For PvP you need the best weapons, armor, accessories, pets and anything else you can get your hands on. You need scrolls coming out of your ears. You need buiffs from everybody that will give you them.

So what is more expensive? Gearing and maintaining for PvP or PvE?

its because old man all the gear on isen is crafted on ran/jin you forge gear forging has a base rate of 22% (rare) 18% (uni) and 10% (ancient)

reinforcement system as you know the rate is based on the reinforcement lvl so at +12 your looking at a 0.00000032% chance and you need to do this 2 times on ALL the gear and a 3rd time on your weap/armour for a grand total of 26-28 times you will have to +12 things to have true endgame equipment.