Melee Classes, Accuracy/Dex- Sweet Spot or Missing Balance?

Hello everyone!

This threat is half feedback and half Question.

As in other Threats said i play a Str Dekan. First i just put 2 str 2 Vit...that was weak but fine now at around 24 i keept missing like 90% of my normal attacks(can skills even miss?!? because they never did).

In Normal Rohan you need to reach a so called Sweet spot in Dex either throu Gear, Buffs or Stats to not miss at all. For ever since i can remember that spot was 75-100 Dex.

Now my Problem is that i after 24 i changed the stat distribution to 1 str 1 vit 2 dex and i got my self 2 x acc with 14 dex.
This brings me to Amazing 92 Dex now at lvl 43...and guess what im still missing like 50-75% of my Normal attacks.

So my Question is do you guys have same problem? is it Dekan specific? Do i miss the new Sweet spot like it is 200 now?(so prolly only Archers have it now)? Or is something just off here for Melee Classes?

The problem that I'm noticing is that stats seem to scale 1:1 with their effected stats, like melee attack, accuracy, and evasion.

It seems to be 1 dex = 1 accuracy, which is not how the old formula worked at all. This makes things with higher evasion values much harder to hit.

It's possibly a bug, but there's not much of a way to really tell as of now. It very well could be that mobs need some changes in their stats.

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Originally Posted by soulholder

The problem that I'm noticing is that stats seem to scale 1:1 with their effected stats, like melee attack, accuracy, and evasion.

It seems to be 1 dex = 1 accuracy, which is not how the old formula worked at all. This makes things with higher evasion values much harder to hit.

It's possibly a bug, but there's not much of a way to really tell as of now. It very well could be that mobs need some changes in their stats.

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Yeh, accuracy is a PIA. I almost put more dex than str on my guard - which doesn't leave much room for vit (which doesn't help too much anyway). Interesting though, i'm not sure if it's so much a bug as it is intended.

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Originally Posted by DeadMansEnd

Hello everyone!

This threat is half feedback and half Question.

As in other Threats said i play a Str Dekan. First i just put 2 str 2 Vit...that was weak but fine now at around 24 i keept missing like 90% of my normal attacks(can skills even miss?!? because they never did).

In Normal Rohan you need to reach a so called Sweet spot in Dex either throu Gear, Buffs or Stats to not miss at all. For ever since i can remember that spot was 75-100 Dex.

Now my Problem is that i after 24 i changed the stat distribution to 1 str 1 vit 2 dex and i got my self 2 x acc with 14 dex.
This brings me to Amazing 92 Dex now at lvl 43...and guess what im still missing like 50-75% of my Normal attacks.

So my Question is do you guys have same problem? is it Dekan specific? Do i miss the new Sweet spot like it is 200 now?(so prolly only Archers have it now)? Or is something just off here for Melee Classes?

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same Problem ...plz rework Accuracy ...=/

I also 100% agree. Please make accuracy better

Atm i can only suggest for every Melee Class go 2 dex 1 vit 1 str or 3 dex 1 vit for starters. Constantly missing at lvl 25+ is a killer and i mean it like the word...you get killed because 50-90% of your normal attacks miss...

Lest not forget that there are accuracy skills, which will actually matter now as well as agi that will make a difference.

I'm not against, just needs adaptation. I always found pve too easy and brainless.

Edit: seems that vit gives only 0.5 defense so your defense increases by 1 point every 2 stats - that seems a bit drastic, no?
Same goes for evasion..

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Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix

Lest not forget that there are accuracy skills, which will actually matter now as well as agi that will make a difference.

I'm not against, just needs adaptation. I always found pve too easy and brainless.

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No! Totaly no! only a Handful of classes have accuracy buffs. You cant say its allright just because your fav class has it later on o.o

Boost Accuray per Dex to 2!

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Originally Posted by DeadMansEnd

No! Totaly no! only a Handful of classes have accuracy buffs. You cant say its allright just because your fav class has it later on o.o

Boost Accuray per Dex to 2!

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I reckon they did it as to give agi classes their benefit of evasion (which wasn't the case before). Mind you, evasion only levels per the .5 (or .7) as well.
Also, my 'favorite' class also doesn't have a snatch with which it can snatch accuracy buffs.

Giant can snatch one Buff. And i rly mean one, not one after another or one by one. Litterally ONE. means you need to think about what buff you gone steal and keep. Someone else ranted about Giants beeing op with Snatch, nope they are not.

I dont say agi-dhan shouldnt evade ****, i just dont agree on that the current Accuray scaling is right.

You can easily make both stats scale better on evade/ accuracy and keep balance. I know its a pvp game and all are just worried about that the great agi-dhan will get "useless" (for real they never been useless -.- crybabys) again with more accuracy. But this game has 100 lvl we need to master and i dont want to freaking miss up to lvl 100 50-75% of my normal attacks.

Or if you dont wanna touch the scaling on Dex then just reduce the base "evasion /agi-stat" of Monsters so pve can be done in peace. It difficult enough to get through it atm no need for this horrible miss miss miss hit miss miss miss hit stuff.

I wouldn't say no to some monster adjustment

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Originally Posted by DeadMansEnd

Giant can snatch one Buff. And i rly mean one, not one after another or one by one. Litterally ONE. means you need to think about what buff you gone steal and keep. Someone else ranted about Giants beeing op with Snatch, nope they are not.

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I did not know this (I was the one complaining about it) but it makes me happy to find out they can only snatch ONE.

- Does this work the same for Warlocks?
- With like 8 seconds CD can you take a buff from someone every 8 seconds(CD time) and replace the ONE buff you have? Basically debuffing him/her by 1 buff every 8 seconds?

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Originally Posted by snipers334

I did not know this (I was the one complaining about it) but it makes me happy to find out they can only snatch ONE.

- Does this work the same for Warlocks?
- With like 8 seconds CD can you take a buff from someone every 8 seconds(CD time) and replace the ONE buff you have? Basically debuffing him/her by 1 buff every 8 seconds?

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You could do it, but you need to manually remove the stolen buff from your buff-bar(via double click on it) then you can get another buff from the one you Snatch it from.
No idea about Warlocks thou.

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Originally Posted by DeadMansEnd

You could do it, but you need to manually remove the stolen buff from your buff-bar(via double click on it) then you can get another buff from the one you Snatch it from.
No idea about Warlocks thou.

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So basically you can debuff someone every 8 seconds, that's still pretty stupid lol. They should just give it a CD of like 5 minutes.

Either way, thanks for explaining. I'm curious as to how it works for Warlocks.

Yes please fix str class :( i miss so many attacks

Wasn't the old rule of thumb for non-IM'd characters to put 1 point of dex in per level up until 50? Are people doing that and still missing attacks?

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Originally Posted by RememberMyName

Wasn't the old rule of thumb for non-IM'd characters to put 1 point of dex in per level up until 50? Are people doing that and still missing attacks?

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with about 100 dex on my str dhan at 45 coming from a dex set of graham and dex accessories, i miss atleast 20% on mobs 44-47.

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Originally Posted by RememberMyName

Wasn't the old rule of thumb for non-IM'd characters to put 1 point of dex in per level up until 50? Are people doing that and still missing attacks?

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Yea, but the dealio is that every stat atm is 4x less effective than it used to be; like how Str would yield 4 melee per point, it yields 1. The same is said for the reduced relationship between accuracy and dex.

What I can only assume is the monsters haven't been adjusted to reflect this change, and are rocking some insane evasion relative to everyone's stats. It's also probably why they're 2-shotting people so often, and feel like they take forever to kill lol.

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Originally Posted by soulholder

Yea, but the dealio is that every stat atm is 4x less effective than it used to be; like how Str would yield 4 melee per point, it yields 1. The same is said for the reduced relationship between accuracy and dex.

What I can only assume is the monsters haven't been adjusted to reflect this change, and are rocking some insane evasion relative to everyone's stats. It's also probably why they're 2-shotting people so often, and feel like they take forever to kill lol.

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Oh damn. I obviously haven't gotten too far yet, but I guess that's why it's a CBT! :D

Mine 63lvl Templar, is forced to use staff till end game i think xD with new Blunt mastery+equality mace dmg = 250-300 on 54lvl mobs, 9 on 10 attacks is miss ofc. Soo i need dex on my templar now? xd

yep you do^^ Full one stat classes dont work any more or at least not sofar i know.

I have on lv 40 150 Accuracy and miss many times =/ Make not fun plz fix soon !

And the Stat/Attribute System make me crazy plz change so make more sense.

1 STR = 2 Melee Damage + 0,02 Block %
1 DEX = 2 Accuracy + 0,02 Crit %
1 VIT = 15 HP + 2 DEF
and the Block % yes why have a Assa/Predator a buff he can buff more Block % as a Knight ?

atm make me not fun to Play a Melee Class !

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Originally Posted by Avaloon2

I have on lv 40 150 Accuracy and miss many times =/ Make not fun plz fix soon !

And the Stat/Attribute System make me crazy plz change so make more sense.

1 STR = 2 Melee Damage + 0,02 Block %
1 DEX = 2 Accuracy + 0,02 Crit %
1 VIT = 15 HP + 2 DEF
and the Block % yes why have a Assa/Predator a buff he can buff more Block % as a Knight ?

atm make me not fun to Play a Melee Class !

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What's with those numbers - how did you get those?
At the moment 1 point into DEX gives 1 RA, 2nd point gives 0RA but 1 Accuracy, 3rd=1RA - etc. at least for me...

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Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix

What's with those numbers - how did you get those?
At the moment 1 point into DEX gives 1 RA, 2nd point gives 0RA but 1 Accuracy, 3rd=1RA - etc. at least for me...

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That is my Suggestion for Stat Change

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Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix

What's with those numbers - how did you get those?
At the moment 1 point into DEX gives 1 RA, 2nd point gives 0RA but 1 Accuracy, 3rd=1RA - etc. at least for me...

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did you have any gear on?

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Originally Posted by Danno

did you have any gear on?

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I'll re-check upon my next level, gonna be for tomorrow tho.
I did have gear on, but can't see why putting 1 dex would not give me RA every point regardless of the armour I have on. To the opposite, I'd expect it to scale and even give me 1 extra RA every other point due to RA% buffs (6% RA) and not just 1RA and 1 acc. respectively.

Hello,

test many builds on lv 81 and Monster Lv 81 and the full builds works not good ! You need for a good accuracy rate more then 300 DEX !!! all tests with AA and no crits!

Test 1 Full Vit :

800 VIT
300 STR
200 DEX

missing rate is high and not worth you killed 1 Mob 1 Min

Test 2 Full Str :

850 STR
300 VIT
150 DEX

Yes a Little bit more damage but the missing rate high and killed 1 Mob 1 min

Test 3 Mish Build :

500 VIT
450 STR
350 DEX

Perfect build you have enaugh HP/Damage and the missing rate is not high killed a Monster 20-30 sec

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I agree warlock is good, but Scout is the single best class for PVE no question.

Yes Melee Class have a disadvantage we must Stat/Skill DEX for Accuracy and Range Class had Advantage...^^

As a side note, if it hasn't been mentioned yet, the scaling for Str to Melee Attack is 1 Str = 0.6 melee attack. It is NOT 0.5.

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Originally Posted by soulholder

As a side note, if it hasn't been mentioned yet, the scaling for Str to Melee Attack is 1 Str = 0.6 melee attack. It is NOT 0.5.

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still 2low, compared how many str u need to add to do decent dmg, u loose ALOT stats point on stupid dex/vit while saying Warlock can just go pure INT and do tons of dmg and all magic mobs he fight with will hit him 0 (zero) , he will se just : Resist, Resist, Resist, Resist, Resist, Resist, Resist.. and so on. How Cool is that?

Not saying it's balanced at all, just clarifying the ratios for anyone who cares to really look into the details.

Well melee class has high HP. That is the advantage.

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Originally Posted by KingxOfxRage

Well melee class has high HP. That is the advantage.

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Not really a "Advantage" Melee classes are ,if you not consider dhans because they server as DPS only, the Frontliners of a Group. They will be the first to get hit and if they do it right Ranged Classes dont get hit at all. So they need more HP to Soak up the DMG.

Regarding Stats distribution its just a minor Adjustment needed, its ok that you need to stat Dex and Vit but rly still missing 20% of your Attacks with 300 Dex? mehh
Just make it possible to hit 100% accuracy vs MOBS (not players) with Reasonable Amount of Dex/Accuracy for a Melee Class and we are fine.

That accuracy issue is called (balance) we all know how OP GUARDIANS if they stat STR VIT and still hit 90-100%

Yeah, luckily str dekans and defenders have always been an OP class.
Anyway, my issue is not that you need a lot of dex - my issue is that regardless of how much dex you've got, you still hit miss quite a lot.

I have a base of 100dex and still put dex every level, I have dex accessories, dex from all stats, I put +12dex options in all available sockets and I throw a 10% accuracy onto my weapon and I still hit 4 times miss in a row. When you have a skill that splits your normal attack into an aoe and lasts only abt 4 seconds (which, mind you, isn't long considering the very slow attack speed and you lose half during cast time) and you miss nearly all of those hits.. well, that's frustrating.

I'm not even sure it will alleviate the issue by putting more dex. Hence, if I put any more dex, I could as well go full dex for the little difference in str it will make by then..

just a heads up, to hit decently 95+ mobs u need around 500 accuracy

I have noticed something.. even though i'm full int warlock mage mobs hit harder than melee ones even though they both are in the same lvl???!