Templar Balance Discussion

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Originally Posted by Neophyte28

Or just do away with it completely. Why do both sages and knights need to have vit/HP based hero skills?

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This is a possibility... idk how korea would feel about that.

Idc how they feel, I just hope that they are not in N.Korea, or that none of the profits from this game is going there to kim jong dumarse

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Originally Posted by Neophyte28

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nice, N. Korea starting a war with us is like a 115 vit dk fighting a varg

The varg barks, then bites, then all is quiet

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Originally Posted by Neophyte28

If you think back to when staff buffing was fixed, when we only had crafteds and not everyone had bezes (and there were no ralers), it was almost balanced.

However the stat inflation started going out of control which showed up the flaws in blunt mastery (and proved what I was saying about the equation being written and only suitable for the previous meta) along with dekans throwing around their 1-hit phalluses.

You have to start using the old "why?" trick to find your solutions:
Templars have access to too much attack power. Why? Because the blunt mastery formula was written for a previous meta where there wasn't such stat inflation.
Templars claim this attack power is currently necessary. Why? Because it would otherwise be impossible to kill vitties.
It's impossible to kill vitties. Why? There's too much vit/HP out there along with insane pots which are easy to obtain.

You start at the end and work your way back. Fix the healing issue > look at changing how vit/HP works by potentially reducing the vit to HP bonus (also helps with dem pesky wizzords) > reduce templar melee > apply additional fixes (D/W FFS, wiz reraise etc.) > happy peoples.

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Thank you, someone who understands this game's problems. You sir, deserve that picture you use.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte28

Or just do away with it completely. Why do both sages and knights need to have vit/HP based hero skills?

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I've heard the GM's are already pushing an idea for replacing it with a buff skill that works for all forms/builds for dekans. Something that I think was posted in the forums somewhere. If Korea agrees to it, I think everyone (except people who play Vit Knights b/c they're op) will enjoy it and it should be pretty balanced on both servers.

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Originally Posted by PrinceOfDaSouth

but qq'ing you die too quick if your not vit is just dumb, there is no grey area that's the way it is, if you want a game where everyone wins join a preschool colouring contest, everyone gets an A+

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This isn't what I'm complaining about. What I am, is on Jin the way things are now, a temp can come up and shield strike me and one shot me for 34k. I can pop a 120 allstat costume, 40 allstat trophy, and 30 tali to give me 190 vit, then put on my vit twins for another 300. Now instead of getting one shot by that shield strike, maybe I'll be able to tank that, but then die .3 seconds later when I get smacked by a 10k regular, all the while being capable of far less damage output. Far better suggestion on Jin then adding some vit for a little tankiness if you die too fast is just roll up a temp and whoever gets in the shield strike first wins, or if thats not your style roll up that vit dekan and enjoy 1 shotting everyone not on a vit build, which isn't even viable for most classes. I mean...wtf you gonna do with a vit guardian?

Yeah temps are really painful on Jin, no one can argue that. Problem is they're one of the few classes that can really go toe to toe with a vit fish, and with the amount of vit fishies around now, its necessary we have them around being that strong :/ It's sad imo, but for now, it's the way it has to be. There doesn't necessarily have to be a direct nerf on temps right now, but eventually, after some other issues with the game be addressed (teardrops, vit dekans) they can look into getting their damage nerfs.

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Originally Posted by egyptiansk8r

I've heard the GM's are already pushing an idea for replacing it with a buff skill that works for all forms/builds for dekans. Something that I think was posted in the forums somewhere. If Korea agrees to it, I think everyone (except people who play Vit Knights b/c they're op) will enjoy it and it should be pretty balanced on both servers.

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Sort of. Those "GM's" are moreso just me. Despite YNK/Playwith having liked the idea, I have no idea where it'll end up.

LOL you nab. I'm not giving up on it! xD

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Originally Posted by Kophy

Before any fix can be made, the issue of 60+ dd needs to be solved. They said they aren't going to change upg's to epics so thats out of the question. They can't simply apply a hard cap to dd because then 70 dd has the same value as 60dd. Its not so much the excessive HP as it is the excessive DD and Pdef.

I think currently DD is completely linear, and works like it logically should. But what if they changed it to be more of a log shaped curve. Too lazy to go and figure out the basic math of it all but doing this could boost lower DD (3x-4x, thus balancing divinity a little bit where temps are foking ridiculous) and lowering the effect of upper DD (So instead of 60-70 being regular DD its more like 55-60)

http://i.imgur.com/oHKVYoW.png

Pro paint skills, yea? Blue line is DD as it is. Red line is DD if they manipulated it. Once we're dealing with more similar DD between servers, its alot easier to start any sort of a balance.

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To be honest with you I thought about this exact same thing...6x+ DD is sick and with 50% offhand humans rocking 8x-1xx% DD now DD overall for all existing and future weps needs to be nerfed(I'm sorry to all those of you with the "NOT MY 71% DD NUUU" but it's true)...

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Originally Posted by Neophyte28

If you think back to when staff buffing was fixed, when we only had crafteds and not everyone had bezes (and there were no ralers), it was almost balanced.

However the stat inflation started going out of control which showed up the flaws in blunt mastery (and proved what I was saying about the equation being written and only suitable for the previous meta) along with dekans throwing around their 1-hit phalluses.

You have to start using the old "why?" trick to find your solutions:
Templars have access to too much attack power. Why? Because the blunt mastery formula was written for a previous meta where there wasn't such stat inflation.
Templars claim this attack power is currently necessary. Why? Because it would otherwise be impossible to kill vitties.
It's impossible to kill vitties. Why? There's too much vit/HP out there along with insane pots which are easy to obtain.

You start at the end and work your way back. Fix the healing issue > look at changing how vit/HP works by potentially reducing the vit to HP bonus (also helps with dem pesky wizzords) > reduce templar melee > apply additional fixes (D/W FFS, wiz reraise etc.) > happy peoples.

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Just for arguments sake since this in the broad spectrum does pertain to temp nerfing...if you were to essentially take away dekan nukes(making them pure and simple tanks) you then take away practically the only reason temps have for their "OP DPS" apart from vit pets(usually easy enough to kill as most are dual loggers but not all). And ofc talking on the point of TDs if you were to fix these then defenders wouldn't be as problematic thus making even less excuses to have "OP DPS" temps ya? Just saiyan.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte28

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+1 I roflmaolollercoastered.

nerf the new skill of temps too OP
is like an dffs

you guys all time saying nerf dekans but temps are mutch more op then a dekan .... 10k + in baisic alot of atack speed and new skill is like a dffs

yea right Templar too OP when you have pro gear +12 or more -47k mel 180k crit on Dekans with ss skill !!!!
Guardian i have see new 50% stat from secound weapon and socket Stones 100%!!!!
Guardian can Combo make stoneskin + Blessing when templar not useing chrone debuffs 14buffs or 7buffs off many hope for luck no chrones this!!!
2x 35attack or 2x 38dd ans 70%mel+35attack xd
Better is Limit +30kmelee no man can have more all sema;)