Dekan Newbie Guide V 1.4 updated 06-10-09

[FireDragonPT]

i cant belive it, all ppl say exactly the opposite...they told me str is the best in pvp and 1vs 1...
vit dekan have like 14k hp at lv99 and str dekan have 7k hp but str dekan have 1700~ atak and 800pdef and vit have 300atak and 1300pdef.
how can vit dekan do dmg...they need ffs but ffs have 11sec cool time and waste 20% of your hp...str dekan can give big dmg wiht fast shadow+lunacy because they have that big 1700atak+78/80% extra dmg agains 1200+400/300pdef so str dk can smash vit ds event wiht they big def in my point and ds need ffs to do dmg because the others ataks dont even exist....
each get 20% extra hp wish is like bonus and good bonus for vit build.... what my calcules ffs lv6 will do 5400dmg and lose 3000of hp for use it but str dk will do in same time around 500dmg each hit in fast shadow and that means a lot and penetrate gives out around 3500dmg all times u use it
... so whats the best in no pots battle and in pots battle
i didnt mentionate the bonus of armors and weapons like +5%health because they will be useless for here...

i make my calcules that vit is ds and srt is dk

[BlazeX28]

your calculation is way off.. first of all... Str dekan really need max melee zhen and near max enchanted armor to keep up with the best.

Str Dk vs Vit DS...
Dk will do a like 100-200 dmg to a DS cause of DS's impenetrable... while the DS can dish out 4k dmg every 11 seconds with only just hitting you with FFS, which means that in under 40 seconds secs you'll die, and since DS has like what 40-50k hp, it'll take you at least 250 hits, and i doubt i need to explain more... even say u do penetration/dragon tail/zhen counter/fast shadow and it'll take you 100 hits to kill a DS and that you can hit 2x per second, it'll still take you 50secs to kill a DS.

Even if i use yoru stats, a str dk is very unlikely to do 500 dmg to a DS. Hell i do like 500 dmg to people 15lvs lower than me with melee, people my lv i do around 200-300. (with average gear) and penetration don't do nearly as much dmg as you claim. I may not be lv 99 but i kinda doubt that penetration can hit that hard especially when guardians's knight symbol with order swing do 3k pvp. Str Knight is very unlikely to kill a Full vit DS late game, when they're both lower lvs then yes but after lv 80 vit sage will win.

Only a Dhan can kill a full vit DS one on one, and even then its only like 50/50 that the Dhan can win, assuming the Dhan hits first.

[shiranui21]

Well, now I know who I WON'T be challenging to 1v1 fights on my dekan then.

In almost every MMO I have played, I was always fond of glass-cannon builds as opposed to un-killable tank builds. You just need to have a little more common sense when picking your targets (like not picking fights with full vit characters, durr hurr).

Then again, it's apparent that str dekans are quick to level solo in PvE. Maybe that's why I like 'em so much (since i'm new to the game and have no friends to party with )

[FireDragonPT]

how can a full vit have 50k hp??i see in stats calculator he olny have 14k eve wiht evolve he can have 16k not 50k....
and wiht zhen and armor how 3500atak can oly do 200dmg to 2000pdef??

[Lordmalak]

Just to butt in real quick but, im sorta new and not new to dekans. I had to remake my dekan twice only cuz first time i wanted to go sepa DK. But after lvl 30 it got boring and i wanted evolve. Then i did the 2/2 str/vit hybrid build a friend told me. Then as you guys said in later posts sucks total balls. Now i started the 3/1 str/vit and im kicking ass. Even at lvl 18 with 1.4k hp u still get 1 pd for every str and 2 for every vit. So sorta evens out, also after lvl 50 and break away from the 3/1 pre 50 build. You can basically mix and match str and vit, to either get more hp or dmg in ur build. Soooo i mean str DK's can be flexable if need be to save their ass if they need more health or dmg.

But yes i have seen full vit DS's kick the living shit out of DK's easily. Even thou at low lvls like maybe 10 lvls above when u max evolve u can kill a DS sure cuz it doesn't have all its important buffs. But late game, it will tear you up. But so far im liking DK just cuz i like to do melee dmg and not depend on one skill (FFS). Even thou its so godly i'll stick with my hack and slash DK.

[DeathP00l]

how can a full vit have 50k hp??i see in stats calculator he olny have 14k eve wiht evolve he can have 16k not 50k....
and wiht zhen and armor how 3500atak can oly do 200dmg to 2000pdef??

the stat calculator is wrong, it gives u 4 point per lvl, adn the correct is at lvl 51 to lvl 70 u get 6 stats points, and from lvl 71 to 99 u get 8 points, calculator is wrong.

then add hp% zhen+full vit acces (including patches and earings) +high hp enchanted armor+a lvl 3 bear+hp% scrolls from IM+priest buffs u get 5xk hp and ffs dmg really high.

a DK vs DS fight is just stupid, the str build will lose it doesn't matter if you are DS or DK, if both are vit build better go get a coffee, u will be there fighting for a long time, if both are str build do the same, go get a coffee.

[FireDragonPT]

np the calculator gives 4poits 1-50 6points 51-70 8points 71-99, and i need all that buffs and thinks to get my hp good to rock i cant rock wihtout it??
and if u have 50k how can ffs oly do 4k dmg?? in my way it do much more like 15k

[DeathP00l]

it does a lot more damage to mobs, damage to players is around 6k, I'm not full vit yet, im str to faster lvl up so i cant give you the exact numbers, I'll let u know when i get to the lvl i want

[BlazeX28]

you'll still have a large amount of hp but most full vit dekans use those gears, you can still be a very good tank w/o them but you won't be as OP as other vit dekans. The highest FFS ive taken was a lil under 6k and thats with bear/alm and i think hp scroll too, from a low.mid 9x

a DK vs DS fight is just stupid, the str build will lose it doesn't matter if you are DS or DK, if both are vit build better go get a coffee, u will be there fighting for a long time, if both are str build do the same, go get a coffee.

Str can still beat vit if they're not lv 80+, but after that its fairly hopeless for str builds. Vit vs Vit will never end... but Str vs Str is kinda a fast battle, unless its potting/elixer/health funnel and all that jazz but it won't take that long.

[shiranui21]

Seems like str dekans pretty much fill out a support-attacker role in pvp.

The way I see it, they will excel in three things:
1) Rush in to the front lines and give up their lives to soften up hard targets so that vit tanks can steam roll remaining opposition
2) Stalk the battlefield and pick off weak/wounded targets.
3) Attack in tandem with other players or vit tanks to provide extra firepower. Why do 6k dmg every 11 seconds when you can do 6k every 11 seconds plus 200-300 dmg every second in between?

The curse of glass-cannon builds is that they will always be singled out by the enemy, and any smart player will ignore the hulking vit DS just to tear apart the fragile str DK. However, that shouldn't mean that str dekans are an obsolete build that has no place in pvp. It seems that if you are gonna play a str dekan, you just gotta play smart. Know your limits, and know how to work around them.

As a small side note, one of the reasons I often don't do 1v1 pvp is that the outcome is almost always decided based on statistics. The man with the better build always walks away with victory. I always preferred the cooperation and teamwork factors that are a necessary ingredient for victory in large-scale pvp.

PLEASE NOTE that I have yet to have any personal experience in large-scale or even small-scale pvp in this game. I am merely offering my opinions based off of the responses I'm seeing on this thread and from my own personal pvp experiences in numerous other MMO's. If anything I say sounds even remotely inaccurate, please feel free to throw a brick at me and tell me to shut up.