Guardian is suck now even with upgrades

[Buratski]

Guard is a poor class even with upgrade there damage is still suck unlike dhan which is the most over rated class ever, You just need Opanial Katar and your OP let me tell you this Guard with upgrades are just match to Dhan with Opa or sometimes Dhan is still OP , and Dhan with 3.0 katar is the most stupid things exist in rohan ever, lmao beside the crit damage dhan normal hit is like 15k which Guard can only hit 4-5k lmao even in full combo guard cant do 15k normal damage while dhan have deadly crit average is 30k +10k invenom and normal damage more high than Guard. so Unfair Guard main damage is Str and still its sucks. game is dead, Because GMS is idiot

[AchanClub]

why you rage ?
what do you want to accomplish?

a guard that can 1v1 with damage as high as a dhan? D:

and for 15k normal damage.. did you check his gear , you are +50? pen DD, PvP %, etc(7s, scrolss) yet?

your guard has no CC ? or you want to beat an avenger in 1v1?

what i can guess is you are sick with how dhan can simply kill people with their regular attack while you need to do combo to kill someone(if it even works lol)
but guard is not a dhan, its play style is different. you have more CC, you got stone skin, crit aura for party mode.

if what you seek is playing this game in easy difficulty then just play predator perhaps? i assume you think dhan is easy

[sunnyangel]

Yeah **** predators and their brainless auto attacking thats reserved for templars /s

Also guardians have more to offer than those brainless auto attackers but idk if it matters much.

[snipers334]

like sunny said, guard have more to offer than just plain damage.(they have a very useful kit for pvp)

Beside that, guards damage is a bit weird (for most people) because their combo stacks in percentages. It comes down to this:

if you do not have high gear & pvp attack/dd pen you won't deal a lot of damage with a guard (dhans deal with medium gear easily 10-12k crits +2-3k invenom or so)(have to factor in that with medium gear you reach like 30-40% critrate so only 40% of your hits actually deal dmg, resulting in a lower dps (damage per second))

1. Dhans damage isn't (really) depending on your opponents PDF but much rather on their PVP defense & damage drop (invenom ignores dd)
2. Guardians damage is quite depending on your opponents PDF since most of their melee is inflated melee from their STR stat. Guards also lack elemental damage since most players have 100% elemental resist and thus you won't deal any ele damage.

Then how can you deal damage with guardians?

Well it really comes down to the way their combo works if you're medium geared you will only do like 800-1200 damage regular hits in PVP (let's take 1000 damage as the mean damage). If you deal 1000 damage and order swing gives you what, 8% damage applied to the next attack (I think) this means on a single target your damage will look like this: (8% over 1000 damage isn't great but once your base damage becomes higher, this 8% gives you a larger increase in damage)

Hits - Damage
1 hit 1000
2 hit 1080
3 hit 1166
4 hit 1260
5 hit 1360
6 hit 1469
7 hit 1587
8 hit 1714
9 hit 1851
10 hit 1999
11 hit 2159
12 hit 2332
13 hit 2518
14 hit 2720
15 hit 2937
16 hit 3172
17 hit 3426
18 hit 3700
19 hit 3996
20 hit 4316

If you deal 3000 base damage (fairly well geared guardian can do this, with dd pen this is even higher more like 6000 base damage) the damage looks like this:

Hits - Damage
1 hit 3000
2 hit 3240
3 hit 3499
4 hit 3779
5 hit 4081
6 hit 4408
7 hit 4761
8 hit 5141
9 hit 5553
10 hit 5997
11 hit 6477
12 hit 6995
13 hit 7555
14 hit 8159
15 hit 8812
16 hit 9517
17 hit 10278
18 hit 11100
19 hit 11988
20 hit 12947

One thing to take in consideration, these damage calculations do not show is the effect of AOE, the damage is purely based on single target damage and single target stacking. When taking AOE (which is 100% chance now) into consideration, you can reach 50k regular damage in less than 10 seconds with a well geared guard (e.g. guard 20% dd pen, upg dagger, abyss set +5, rulers +18, 115+40-50) if you have multiple targets(preferably PVE targets) in your vicinity.


TL-DR
- Guardian damage is more gear reliant and will be much more effective when using higher tier gear and pvp attack/dd pen
- Guardian combo damage increases enormously with every extra target hit (by your AOE)
- Guardians are not just a pure DPS class but offer a wide range of CC and disabling effects to assist your party in PVP

*flys away*

[Humanoidz]

Well I see your point, but I got to disagree.

Guardians are a class that is designed to deal decent damage, but also it should be tanky, especially with upgrades and a good gear.

But right now Dhans are made to be over powered strong, now any newbie with Opaniel Katars and Onyx set can take on a Guard with endgame gear. This shouldn't be the case, it hasn't been the case before at least.

But I agree with you regarding the other perks guards can give their party, it is true but well 1 vs 1 battles? Guards suck, if the player is skilled enough he would barely survive but wouldn't be able to fight.

And by the way, AOE does not affect Guardian's combo, which needless to say Dhan's already have that advantage too with their Combo skill.

Just a quick insight about Dhan's PVP skills:

1- Level 7 silence for 40 seconds, is just ridiculous. Any Dhan with Opa Katars can drop any character without Crit immune scroll in 40 seconds.. and in 40 seconds you are literally helpless.
2- Confusion pouch that can break roha's blessing, this has made Guard's combo completely useless vs dhans. No matter how strong you are, you get pouched and its done you just got to be lucky to be able to runaway after its done.
3- Now Dhan's have their stun immune skill too.. (Shadow)

Seriously what balance are you trying to do when you give a class Crazy amount of stuns, crazy damage and on top of all that immunity skill..

I am not saying you can't kill a Dhan I am just saying that you need to be fully fully geared and with all 7's stones and scrolls to take on a decently geared one, and this alone is just unfair and completely unbalanced.

And from my point of view I don't believe Guard's need to be buffed. I just think Dhan's regular damage should go back to what it used to be back in the day (regulars 20-150 + invenom), but a dhan with decent gear now hits 1-2k regulars + invenom about another 700-1000. Thats better than most guards with endgame gear. Only removing the amount of Agility added to their regular damage from Katar Mastery would balance things out I think.

[snipers334]

Well I see your point, but I got to disagree.

Guardians are a class that is designed to deal decent damage, but also it should be tanky, especially with upgrades and a good gear.

But right now Dhans are made to be over powered strong, now any newbie with Opaniel Katars and Onyx set can take on a Guard with endgame gear. This shouldn't be the case, it hasn't been the case before at least.

But I agree with you regarding the other perks guards can give their party, it is true but well 1 vs 1 battles? Guards suck, if the player is skilled enough he would barely survive but wouldn't be able to fight.

And by the way, AOE does not affect Guardian's combo, which needless to say Dhan's already have that advantage too with their Combo skill.

Just a quick insight about Dhan's PVP skills:

1- Level 7 silence for 40 seconds, is just ridiculous. Any Dhan with Opa Katars can drop any character without Crit immune scroll in 40 seconds.. and in 40 seconds you are literally helpless.
2- Confusion pouch that can break roha's blessing, this has made Guard's combo completely useless vs dhans. No matter how strong you are, you get pouched and its done you just got to be lucky to be able to runaway after its done.
3- Now Dhan's have their stun immune skill too.. (Shadow)

Seriously what balance are you trying to do when you give a class Crazy amount of stuns, crazy damage and on top of all that immunity skill..

I am not saying you can't kill a Dhan I am just saying that you need to be fully fully geared and with all 7's stones and scrolls to take on a decently geared one, and this alone is just unfair and completely unbalanced.

And from my point of view I don't believe Guard's need to be buffed. I just think Dhan's regular damage should go back to what it used to be back in the day (regulars 20-150 + invenom), but a dhan with decent gear now hits 1-2k regulars + invenom about another 700-1000. Thats better than most guards with endgame gear. Only removing the amount of Agility added to their regular damage from Katar Mastery would balance things out I think.

Your opinion is based on assumptions, not facts.


- Guardian Stone skin = full immunity from magic and melee damage (dhan doesn't even have this)
- Avenger has 3 stuns which last for 4 seconds 5,5 seconds and 5,5 seconds (predator only has 1 which lasts 5,5 seconds) - guardian has 3 stuns which last 8 seconds, 7 seconds and 5 seconds
- Dhan blockrate 25%, guardian blockrate 50%
- Guardian HP buff 40% & you reach self buffed 200% hp cap, Dhan can't get near this unless it has OP scrolls
- Guard has roha blessing for 30 seconds, avenger has shadow for 25 seconds

Avenger total stun duration: 15 seconds
Predator total stun duration: 5,5 seconds
Guardian total stun duration: 20 seconds

All I have to do to prove you wrong is just copy-paste the skill descriptions from game, can you read?

also:
- as far as I know, roha's blessing blocks the usage of confusion pouch
- guard's AOE does increase OS damage with an increasing amount of targets hit (which is why they are probably one of the strongest RPK chars you can use)

[Humanoidz]

Your opinion is based on assumptions, not facts.


- Guardian Stone skin = full immunity from magic and melee damage (dhan doesn't even have this)
- Avenger has 3 stuns which last for 4 seconds 5,5 seconds and 5,5 seconds (predator only has 1 which lasts 5,5 seconds) - guardian has 3 stuns which last 8 seconds, 7 seconds and 5 seconds
- Dhan blockrate 25%, guardian blockrate 50%
- Guardian HP buff 40% & you reach self buffed 200% hp cap, Dhan can't get near this unless it has OP scrolls
- Guard has roha blessing for 30 seconds, avenger has shadow for 25 seconds

Avenger total stun duration: 15 seconds
Predator total stun duration: 5,5 seconds
Guardian total stun duration: 20 seconds

All I have to do to prove you wrong is just copy-paste the skill descriptions from game, can you read?

also:
- as far as I know, roha's blessing blocks the usage of confusion pouch
- guard's AOE does increase OS damage with an increasing amount of targets hit (which is why they are probably one of the strongest RPK chars you can use)

Well I see you point, but if you read my words carefully I clearly stated that guardians are good enough no need to buff them and dhans are good also, the only skill I disagree with is havung katar mastery adding melee using the agility points which I find ridiculous.

And regarding the AOE adding to OS, I tried it a million times, it doesn’t add or maybe I am bugged.
And pouch do work on Roha’s blessing, tried it as well with my dhan. You can try it on me in game if you dont believe me.

[snipers334]

Well I see you point, but if you read my words carefully I clearly stated that guardians are good enough no need to buff them and dhans are good also, the only skill I disagree with is havung katar mastery adding melee using the agility points which I find ridiculous.

And regarding the AOE adding to OS, I tried it a million times, it doesn’t add or maybe I am bugged.
And pouch do work on Roha’s blessing, tried it as well with my dhan. You can try it on me in game if you dont believe me.

I've logged my dhan & guard 5 minutes ago and tested it and confusion pouch is blocked by roha's, just like I said lol. As for AOE I haven't tested that today since my guard isn't geared but I know from past experience AOE = more damage on OS

[AchanClub]

But I agree with you regarding the other perks guards can give their party, it is true but well 1 vs 1 battles? Guards suck, if the player is skilled enough he would barely survive but wouldn't be able to fight.

thought so, this is what you want..?

1v1 againts dhan?

well, dhan main job is ASSASIN, it should be specialized in 1v1? If you want a guard can top a dhan in 1v1 than isn't it the unfair one? again guard has lot more to offer, their play style is different, they might not be the best in 1v1(although they could and pretty decent assuming gear and skill to play is there), but they can survive better than dhan, more CC, better for party..

besides guard can still murder predator easy too in 1v1,

1v1 against other classes? no question. guard win most of the time.

it really depends on how your guard gear is, how you execute the action, and the target itself.
If what happens is..

Suddenly a hiding dhan pop and crit you for a decent damage(ofc crit invenom mortal rising) and it takes 1-2 seconds for you to react, then its all hopeless, know that this happens on lot of people and it can(probably always) destroy your motivation to fight back, then you just succumb to your helpless death watchin their auto-attack pounding your char..
If that is not you then great, cause guard can still encounter that situation, especially if they have high gear.

Try to use detect scroll, it is not only make hide useless, most of the time the dhans dont aware of this(the noob one), thus they will wander in hide and its you who can take initiative rush. Also using anti crit scroll will solve your headache

about your suggestion, i think dhan dps comes from their crit, so not sure if that is matter.

P.S: a good thing to try is, play a dhan

[snipers334]

thought so, this is what you want..?

1v1 againts dhan?

well, dhan main job is ASSASIN, it should be specialized in 1v1? If you want a guard can top a dhan in 1v1 than isn't it the unfair one? again guard has lot more to offer, their play style is different, they might not be the best in 1v1(although they could and pretty decent assuming gear and skill to play is there), but they can survive better than dhan, more CC, better for party..

besides guard can still murder predator easy too in 1v1,

1v1 against other classes? no question. guard win most of the time.

it really depends on how your guard gear is, how you execute the action, and the target itself.
If what happens is..

Suddenly a hiding dhan pop and crit you for a decent damage(ofc crit invenom mortal rising) and it takes 1-2 seconds for you to react, then its all hopeless, know that this happens on lot of people and it can(probably always) destroy your motivation to fight back, then you just succumb to your helpless death watchin their auto-attack pounding your char..
If that is not you then great, cause guard can still encounter that situation, especially if they have high gear.

Try to use detect scroll, it is not only make hide useless, most of the time the dhans dont aware of this(the noob one), thus they will wander in hide and its you who can take initiative rush. Also using anti crit scroll will solve your headache

about your suggestion, i think dhan dps comes from their crit, so not sure if that is matter.

P.S: a good thing to try is, play a dhan

The things you said are true and the thing highlighted in red is even better, if you have issues to play versus a certain class then start playing it yourself, even if it's just at lvl 100 with noob items, you'll learn their skills, combo's cooldowns and when you go back to your main you can abuse this knowledge to counter them. For example keep rush untill the last 10 seconds of avengers SA, which is when they reach their peak damage, if you then rush them for 8 seconds most of their damage will be negated, or keep stone skin until you need it to counter SA, and stun + combo a dhan right after SA ends to easily kill it.

PS: SA = Storm Assault