Banned for buying and selling character

[RBNXD]

Well i am probably not very smart but why would i trust RMT when I have EM for those kind of transactions O.o?
Plus is more trust worthy than RMT.

[PenguinJoe]

Yes RMT is very risky. No doubt about it. But consider the folks that are doing RMT. Most of the time they are players that are leaving the game trying to get back some of the money they spent here on the way out. RPs won't get you a cup of coffee at McDonald's but money obtained from an RMT can.

Most of the time they are selling their entire accounts because there is no safe way to RMT items and characters at a low cost in RPs and they don't see a possibility of returning. When someone wants to sell something via EM as a part of an RMT, they will sell for a low price (because they are not interested in collecting ecash) which has the risk of sniping.

Adding an optional transaction password will remove the risk of outside players ruining the RMT transaction.

It also becomes very difficult to track the legitimacy of the transaction because using a password does not mean both participants need to be on the same IP address. RMT of an account however will see a change IP from the seller's to the buyer's at the time of the transaction. This can sometimes indicate an RMT happened and can be used by staff when investigating suspected RMT. Passworded transactions remove the need to sell entire accounts.

The idea of passworded transactions is a good one for legitimate use getting around some shortcomings of this game, but it needs some form of protection from abuse as a 'safe' vehicle for RMT.

[GM_Nicole]

Hey guys, just wanted to add to Exchange Market sniping...

If you guys do snipe a purchase, don't blackmail the seller and triple the price of the item/character you purchased to sell back to the original owner. THAT'S when you get in trouble.

Also, if we find a very suspicious pattern of sniping at .1 second of items being listed, we're gonna assume you're using a bot.

Don't do anything weird and you should be okay.

[reload01]

Hey guys, just wanted to add to Exchange Market sniping...

If you guys do snipe a purchase, don't blackmail the seller and triple the price of the item/character you purchased to sell back to the original owner. THAT'S when you get in trouble.

Also, if we find a very suspicious pattern of sniping at .1 second of items being listed, we're gonna assume you're using a bot.

Don't do anything weird and you should be okay.

assume....... and what criteria or evaluation you use to determine a user is using a bot? just a .1 sec???? so your the judge, jury and executioners??? I know sellers like emila1985 sniped everytime, but what about other buyers thats just for coincidence buy a char 115+50 to X price and they dont even resell ? you will bann too?

[GM_Nicole]

assume....... and what criteria or evaluation you use to determine a user is using a bot? just a .1 sec???? so your the judge, jury and executioners??? I know sellers like emila1985 sniped everytime, but what about other buyers thats just for coincidence buy a char 115+50 to X price and they dont even resell ? you will bann too?

We're gonna assume you're using a bot, doesn't mean we're going to act on it.

It means we're going to keep an eye on you.

[sunnyangel]

Hey guys, just wanted to add to Exchange Market sniping...

If you guys do snipe a purchase, don't blackmail the seller and triple the price of the item/character you purchased to sell back to the original owner. THAT'S when you get in trouble.

Also, if we find a very suspicious pattern of sniping at .1 second of items being listed, we're gonna assume you're using a bot.

Don't do anything weird and you should be okay.

Oh ok so just keep it squat on it for a week then sell it GMnicole your community management experience has improved since being a marketing exec for paypal :P

[GM_Nicole]

Oh ok so just keep it squat on it for a week then sell it GMnicole your community management experience has improved since being a marketing exec for paypal :P

Thanks, takes one to know one.


In all seriousness though, the keyword here is blackmail.

[aliencreature]

The OP is stupid AF anyway. If I would've gotten that character I would never sell it like that, I'll use it to my full advantage; pk, farm, transcendence title etc... I also got GM Nicole's point, The OP used it for blackmailing the owner. Still a lot of people are crying like "it's on EM, it's available for everyone" bs without reading the full details. It is alright to buy **** on EM but to blackmail the owner using that item or character is a different story LOL! Blackmailing is even illegal irl. I see why some people here just gave poor judgement about this issue is because it hasn't happened to them yet. Bet if this same scenario happened to you guys, you will also qq or even spam ticket to GM's.

[bosshunt]

Some people here use the word "blackmail" very liberally. Every dictionary online seems to go along the lines of "using threats to achieve something" when defining that word; I would go a bit further and expand its meaning to "suggesting future harm to achieve something".

If all the OP said was "back ur char ty" in the title or description, then frankly he fails to qualify as a blackmailer by any definition. There are no threats included in that sentence, neither are there any suggestions of future harm. All the harm was already done at that point by the person who sold his character for much less than it's worth; if anything OP gave an option to mitigate some of the damage the seller has done to himself.

Setting this aside for a moment, it appears the stupidity of the OP relies in saying anything to the seller, or in other words - nothing would have happened had he just bought the character and relisted for the price he did, but by using a valid description of the character in the title/description. I wonder if that is really true, or was the amount of money deposited by the seller to the GMs pockets a significant factor in deciding the outcome of the situation. One would think the seller was foolish/reckless for posting the character up for sale for a measly 1000RP, but it seems the act was not out of foolishness but confidence knowing the character will be somehow guaranteed to be "reserved" for himself to buy. Judging by the actions of the GM that indeed seems to be true.

[PenguinJoe]

looking at the OP's, victim's and GM's posts I have the following concusion:

1. Sniping is suspected but not proven. GM is investigating possible patterns used by snipers (buyer habitually buys items for extremely cheap price within a second or two of posting - instant indicator of a sniper).
2. Seller stupid af putting up his valuable character for 1000-ish rps. Perhaps trying to reduce the EM tax system. ... stupid!
3. Seller approaches buyer and attempts to buy his char back. Seller charges fair market value of a 115 +50 character. Buyer feels this is unfair and complains to staff.
4. Staff steps in, sees that it was a hijacked transfer and feels the buyer's asking price is unfair and an att4mpt at blackmailing**. In this situation it is because it is the seller himself trying to get his toon back.
5. Whether the seller was attempting to RMT is unproven conjecture since there is no evidence of it.

So does this sum it up?

** blackmailing in this case because the seller KNEW it was the buyer attempting to get his char back and maps to this:

• Some nude photos was mistakenly copied from my camera to my hard drive.
• A second party comes across those photos while using my system one day.
• The second party did not pay for those photos, but can sell them to an internet celebrity monkey porn site for a lot of money.
• I approach the second party and ask for the pictures back.
• second party agrees to give them back only if I pay him the same amount he would get from the celebrity monkey porn site.

To me it is the same situation - he could have asked a smaller fee to give the goods back - which would be fair. That he is asking the same price as he would get selling the goods to someone else is unfair and blackmail.

In other words it is the seller asking for his goods back. The fair thing to do would be to sell it back for double or triple the price he listed his toon at. But he pressured the seller for the going value to get it back. That is why he got banned.