Well there's forge pres stones to start with. And I've only been back in game a couple of months. I don't have an abundance of crones at the ready so I buy from the EM. That is more money. (And I'm meaning crones to buy/ forge/ refine gears and what not) And as I said, I have sh1t a$$ luck with forging so yea, it does cost me a bit in the end. And talk to people in game, I'm not the only one having these issues. Just because people aren't here talking about it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.