Information Gathering of Current Classes

[Atzigan]

Greetings guys!
The reason of this thread is to gather some information regarding certain topics:

• Humans
• Elves
• Dekans
• Dhans
• Half Elves
• Dark Elves
• Giants

It's not news that many of these classes are in need of some help, and some classes are in need of some balancing in order to have every class compete against each other and feel that each character has a chance to be best.

I have been discussing and testing on my end things like how much HP can the Dekans currently obtain and how much damage can they deal to a player, how damage can Templars deal in a combo and why are they so strong etc.

I have been investigating and sending reports to our devs in order to obtain a positive reply from them and make the necessary changes to characters without crippling them.

I am currently in need of the following:

User created videos about why are Templars so strong "Gameplay required", I have already received the how it works and I have already tested several characters but the devs require actual user gameplay footage and actual in-game equipment information etc.
User created videos about why are Dekans so hard to kill yet, they do a lot of damage.
Any suggestion you have regarding other classes, and how you would help them to improve the gameplay is well received.

Now, don't confuse this thread with a rage/grief complain thread. The purpose of this thread is to gather all this information and send a report to our devs with as much suggestions/feedback from the players as possible so they make balancing and fixes a high priority over anything and we receive the much needed changes as soon as possible.

I will try to reply to most of you guys but I apologize if I can't respond much or if I don't instantly talk, but I will be reading and creating a report with the information provided.

Avoid complains, rage, grief, arguing.
Keep it on topic at all times.

Why should we have to do this?
We would like to hear your opinion and hear what you think about certain classes and how you would resolve certain aspects of the game. This way we don't make the final decision on our own thoughts but it is also affected by players opinions.

[Neophyte28]

Even if you can't get equipment loadouts of your opponents and such, anything you can give them will go towards the cause. So don't worry about the details too much, the video evidence is the key and the details are a bonus.

[XxWatchNLearnxX]

IMO Scouts need some work, here are some of my suggestions ;
1. Reduce the CD on Sprint ( So they can actually have some defensive capabilities )
2. Reduce the CD on their AOES
3. Change the description of Sharp Melee
4. Increase their damage to where it's actually noticeable in PVP

I can't really make any videos since I don't really know how to :3
Thank for trying to make class balances, and GL to you guys.

[TheHellHunter]

I hate to say "I told you so," but to everyone who raged/QQ'ed last year when I tried to do this...

I told you so.

But really, this is a huge progressive opportunity for everyone involved in R:BF.

Alright, now that that's over with, user-created videos are seriously what we're looking for! We get that everyone's really passionate about their classes, but we also understand a lot of imbalances exist. While making claims is great, the devs need real footage. And who better to show off what needs fixing than the people who play and know these classes inside and out?

While everyone always wants to remain the best and the strongest, keep in mind that it's critical to make sure your class gets its problems addressed properly. If you think not posting about a class simply won't get it nerfed or changed - you could be very mistaken - It's in our best interest to be sure everyone is content and in agreement as to what needs to be changed, and it's better that the devs do it correctly than simply needing to be told to nerf harder than necessary due to inaccurate video portrayals.

So, folks, I hope everyone can assist in participating.

[4effo]

Boost the agi dhans, str/dex scouts, bersekers, psyche templars and str defenders.Nowdays almoust noone play those classes every1 go for templars..Blunt mastery should get 10% lower attack speed or 20% melee lower or even more, vit dekans seems fine for now but they still need some nerf more on the ffs Make the game more funny nowdays bind wars or rulers are like 10-15 min per day?You call fun to donate 100$ or more a month and to have pvp 15 min per day D:? Atm ran seems better server than jin now because they got big dd people dont die so easy as jin where the pvp is just bam bam and everything dies for 2 seconds by templars

[ciapa07]

I have been discussing and testing on my end things like how much HP can the Dekans currently obtain and how much damage can they deal to a player, how damage can Templars deal in a combo and why are they so strong etc.

So...if temps,dekand get nerfed with what we gona kill anymore?i mean cmon...in real fights theres 20 ppls.....constant debuff/vacum/stun.......atleast im talking about ran,we got upg and ppls are tankie.......so if u wana nerf temp/dekan .......reduce vacum time...give back 70 reflect to temp....delete aoe stun/debuff/sleep from wizard,reduce weakness.....make back 2 debuffs on priest ......if its not posible then leave it like that....and dont take in serious cry's from kids who cant afford to spend money in this game to gear up their chars and get 1-2 hits,its normal.Tnx

[Neophyte28]

So...if temps,dekand get nerfed with what we gona kill anymore?i mean cmon...in real fights theres 20 ppls.....constant debuff/vacum/stun.......atleast im talking about ran,we got upg and ppls are tankie.......so if u wana nerf temp/dekan .......reduce vacum time...give back 70 reflect to temp....delete aoe stun/debuff/sleep from wizard,reduce weakness.....make back 2 debuffs on priest ......if its not posible then leave it like that....and dont take in serious cry's from kids who cant afford to spend money in this game to gear up their chars and get 1-2 hits,its normal.Tnx

It's people like you who make this game as **** as it is with no hope for the future. You're best off shutting up and ****ing off.

[ciapa07]

It's people like you who make this game as **** as it is with no hope for the future. You're best off shutting up and ****ing off.

Dude....wdf do u play?do you even play this game anymore?temps are useless 2-3 mins after 90 seconds,dekans get weaknes,debuff ,stun 24/7...5-7 wizs in pvp no joke...perma/debuff/stun/sleep w/o to talk about suport classes who can debuff,aoe stun...wtf we gona do,10 hours pvp?cuz cant kill anything ? we fight or we go to watch at eachothers....and yea,im still talking about Ran.....fix jin if too much QQ cuz low dd there..... i might fraps this days to see how fked up its temp after 90 seconds.....and read what koph said...thats the problem.

[DevilJumpeR]

Dude....wdf do u play?do you even play this game anymore?temps are useless 2-3 mins after 90 seconds,dekans get weaknes,debuff ,stun 24/7...5-7 wizs in pvp no joke...perma/debuff/stun/sleep w/o to talk about suport classes who can debuff,aoe stun...wtf we gona do,10 hours pvp?cuz cant kill anything ? we fight or we go to watch at eachothers....and yea,im still talking about Ran.....fix jin if too much QQ cuz low dd there..... i might fraps this days to see how fked up its temp after 90 seconds.....and read what koph said...thats the problem.

Today at ruler was only 1 pt from us - 2 dekans - 1 warlock 1wiz
ather side 1 pt wiz / 1 pt warlocks / 1 pt temps dekans priests
and still hard to wipe our pt , we might lose when boss up couz our Refec CD but whos care we already didn't lose boss , didn't lose room

[Kophy]

Dude....wdf do u play?do you even play this game anymore?temps are useless 2-3 mins after 90 seconds,dekans get weaknes,debuff ,stun 24/7...5-7 wizs in pvp no joke...perma/debuff/stun/sleep w/o to talk about suport classes who can debuff,aoe stun...wtf we gona do,10 hours pvp?cuz cant kill anything ? we fight or we go to watch at eachothers....and yea,im still talking about Ran.....fix jin if too much QQ cuz low dd there..... i might fraps this days to see how fked up its temp after 90 seconds.....and read what koph said...thats the problem.

He knows more about rohan than you, me, atzigan, hellhunter and everyone else here combined.

And no, you're all wrong. There is no "reversing" ynk's mistakes. You have to figure out a way to compensate for them. The only way to fix it is to make a laundry list of changes that redefines what "OP damage" is. Since damage is relative to average HP, you can actually make 30k damage "fair". But then you're left with DD disparity between Jin and Ran, which is why you have to delinearize it which is way too complicated for YNK's dev's. In addition to that, they have to rewrite this skill defense stuff because it make everything except temps irrelevant. But if you compensate HP to templar damage (ie make 1 vit = 60 hp, not 20), you have to raise everything else (except dekans) damage and then you have to make what we now consider OP to be common place. This means put verdict, 50s, ice talis etc easily accessible on IM. Its really only OP if you have it and your opponent doesnt. But then what happens when korea sends the next OP thing which is blindly added? Same problems occur.

But the issue is, as THH/Atzigan inadvertantly admit to, the devs control this kind of stuff not them. You think if templars were going to be balanced, it would have happened years ago. But what people don't seem to understand is this game is a business. How do you make money on a dead game with a vanilla server? Charge 100$ for a 20 all stat costume? A monthly membership fee? Or you just release the next OP thing every time you need money. Hence epics, walters, reinforcable boss drops, 50s, etc etc. Hell, when was the last time YNK actually released something correctly... uhm... blunt mastery nerf?

If you want it in an analogy, think of it like walking into Best Buy. HellHunter is a greeter who says Hi to you when you enter the store, Atzigan is a manager. HellHunter can forward stuff to atzigan/other store managers, but thats about it. Atzigan can do little things to help people out, but he doesn't have control over the corporate stuff (what TVs to buy, who to partner with etc). Sure he can write a letter of advice, but that doesn't mean they'll listen to it.

If you haven't realized this by now you're delusional. You either adapt to this inevitable truth, complain about it and gain nothing, or quit. This thread is either a publicity stunt or a sign of pure laziness. They have a test server, and there's plenty of videos out there.