DD Items Poll~

[Demonic6000]

It doesnt surprise me that this thread got derailed by people who all have ulterior motives. Its funny that some ppl seem to think that dual wield with axe is viable in any way/shape/form besides being a big crybaby who wants to spit on any dps that doesnt have the magical idontcareaboutyourdd button or invenom (which has buggy interactions with SD).


Anyways mark is a stubborn old man who is usually reasonable but for some reason 100% dd chars are something he supports I have no clue do ppl actually have a problem staying alive anymore?


Lets start by pointing out all good pvpers have a health recovery rate of 20k per second (100k every 10 seconds a la td and 100k every 20 seconds a la holywine).
Since templars are such a big deal these days you are telling me you dont have one in your party with group euhphoria? (boost to health recovery anywhere from 10k/s to 50k/s depending if there are mobs around/lvl of equality/attack speed)

Health recovery is not everything lets talk about health pools.... when players like godlyke are breaking the 400k mark and my "above average" templah had 250k hp we can see the STANDARD pvper should have over 150k hp. But that should be even higher since I didnt play a temp when that lumir vit buff came out so who knows maybe u should have 200k hp to be "average".


Now I know 72% dd was rough when those high damage temps came my way (jamz/adam/godlyke etc.) but you dont have 72% dd you have 92% (the proposed cap) thats like hitting alias (actually that is exactly like hitting alias) who could spam sit tank 3 templars at once.


So with that in mind lets think again about why you need 100% dd and ill get another reading from my bull**** radar because it sounds to me like ppl support 100% dd because they can 1/2 ass on all the other gear and survive 90% of pvp scenarios. If that is the case maybe playwith should look into some way to help 1/2 ass chars gear up instead of hurting pvp by letting ppl run around with 100% dd.

Don't you have ulterior motives yourself now? Don't you cry because you can't kill human with your templar? Tell me yourself why DD should be nerfed? So that anyone can kill humans again? so that PPL who purchased axes can again suck on it? Humans have not that great skills which would help them in pvp much, im Telling you if you cant kill a person under rush, it will get ugly. Your point is that human race should just be little retards who run around like headless chicken with only few objectives: gotta get debuffed, gotta get killed, gotta use as much pots as possible ... Stun smb .... what now .... errrr.... emergency exit. Because this is what they will be, if it is a 100DD we at least can stand our ground and try to do smth, because temp won't have an uber upper hand over human no more. Give Humans a chance for a fight!

[sunnyangel]

Don't you have ulterior motives yourself now? Don't you cry because you can't kill human with your templar? Tell me yourself why DD should be nerfed? So that anyone can kill humans again? so that PPL who purchased axes can again suck on it? Humans have not that great skills which would help them in pvp much, im Telling you if you cant kill a person under rush, it will get ugly. Your point is that human race should just be little retards who run around like headless chicken with only few objectives: gotta get debuffed, gotta get killed, gotta use as much pots as possible ... Stun smb .... what now .... errrr.... emergency exit. Because this is what they will be, if it is a 100DD we at least can stand our ground and try to do smth, because temp won't have an uber upper hand over human no more. Give Humans a chance for a fight!

I dont own a templar so get your facts straight.

and wtf is this stand our ground nonsense? standing your ground implies that you are doing something not standing still watching the 0s go by.

[GodsRage]

I dont own a templar so get your facts straight.

and wtf is this stand our ground nonsense? standing your ground implies that you are doing something not standing still watching the 0s go by.

Damn straight i'm stubborn as hell. Personally i saw allowing human classes to have 100% DD as a saving grace for this game. The only thing that made it worth my while to actually come back here for a short while.

All the temp players are crying ikn their beer that humans are now unkillable. All the dhan players are laughing at those temp players. And if you have less than 150k hp (either out of the box or from some other effective class class hitting you), a dekan can 2-hit you. So what if the ruling class of irohan can't kill humans? Most playing temps were smart enough to get themselves a dhan and a dekan to handle them. Again, I don't see how 100% DD dual wield humans are destroying the game. The only thing their destroying is the stranglehold Templars have had on irohan for the past 5 years.

[FrontlinerCDV]

Damn straight i'm stubborn as hell. Personally i saw allowing human classes to have 100% DD as a saving grace for this game. The only thing that made it worth my while to actually come back here for a short while.

All the temp players are crying ikn their beer that humans are now unkillable. All the dhan players are laughing at those temp players. And if you have less than 150k hp (either out of the box or from some other effective class class hitting you), a dekan can 2-hit you. So what if the ruling class of irohan can't kill humans? Most playing temps were smart enough to get themselves a dhan and a dekan to handle them. Again, I don't see how 100% DD dual wield humans are destroying the game. The only thing their destroying is the stranglehold Templars have had on irohan for the past 5 years.

Really? I haven't actively done anything in the game, but the way you're saying it that pretty much seals the deal for any other class barring Vit Dekans(well, Int Dekans have a DD ignoring skill too so yeah) to ever kill Guards or Defender. I say that's pretty ****ed up and destroys the game in it's own way.

Templars could've easily fixed a long time ago, but the game is broken beyond repair so you might as well introduce players with 100% DD.

[GodsRage]

Really? I haven't actively done anything in the game, but the way you're saying it that pretty much seals the deal for any other class barring Vit Dekans(well, Int Dekans have a DD ignoring skill too so yeah) to ever kill Guards or Defender. I say that's pretty ****ed up and destroys the game in it's own way.

Templars could've easily fixed a long time ago, but the game is broken beyond repair so you might as well introduce players with 100% DD.

Not sure if you've messed with the game since tgrinityh was introduced but the following classes can damage someone with 100% dd:

vit dekans (200k of ffs + dffs can 2-hit a 100% dd human that has 200k hp).
int dekans (don't know about their skills but I will take you4r word on it)
dhans (invenom totally ignores dd)
noir -- the fakin hurt and ignore dd.
elemental damage goes thru DD as well

in short any class that does skill damage (as opposed to melee, magic or ranged damage) has the ability ot kill or help kill a 100% dd toon.

yes templars could have been fixed a long time ago when PS still had a few of their original developers. I know how it can be done. So dis Ish and a few others. couple guys have already done it. PW knows how to fix them too, but refuses to.

[RBNXD]

Not sure if you've messed with the game since tgrinityh was introduced but the following classes can damage someone with 100% dd:

vit dekans (200k of ffs + dffs can 2-hit a 100% dd human that has 200k hp).
int dekans (don't know about their skills but I will take you4r word on it)
dhans (invenom totally ignores dd)
noir -- the fakin hurt and ignore dd.
elemental damage goes thru DD as well

in short any class that does skill damage (as opposed to melee, magic or ranged damage) has the ability ot kill or help kill a 100% dd toon.

yes templars could have been fixed a long time ago when PS still had a few of their original developers. I know how it can be done. So dis Ish and a few others. couple guys have already done it. PW knows how to fix them too, but refuses to.

Int dekan the Health drain one based on magic atk to heal yourself. Breath is good vs lvl99- but its garbage vs heroic power other than that that's all an int dekan can offer.

Noirs Rear Blast Ignores DD yes but its like damage based on melee when it ticks if Air Burst or Thunderstroke does 0 damage. Need to test it some more.

[Demonic6000]

I dont own a templar so get your facts straight.

and wtf is this stand our ground nonsense? standing your ground implies that you are doing something not standing still watching the 0s go by.

Stand our ground implies humans don't run when they see every-single class out there be it temp,dhan,dk,ranger or w/e the reason some other class (haven't seen any movie where there are dozen warriors left and commander shouts MEN STAND YOUR GROUND - meaning do not fall back/run). Why don't we better nerf rear blast it is a broken skill, let's see how noirs will do when all u have is ur reg hits. Cmon if you want DD nerfed why not nerf skills, which makes few classes above humans?