but we were talking about guardians a good guardian like roy or lucas wouldnt be phased by your mana shield I mean what did you have 3.5k psy? thats like 15k barrier then 1 drain and you lose everything. Guardians are obviously opportunistic by nature (meaning you dont have reflect) so by the time rush runs out barrier is broken blue drain into a shield stun you elixer use vanishment and IF you are fast enough toggle mana shield on if not the knight symbol already dropped you.