Information Gathering of Current Classes

[Gadwin83]

Good luck trying to balance anything if you can't make server specific changes, do an rp buyback of epics/upgrades, put a hard cap on DD, or just ignore Ran server completely for all future balance changes and balance the game around Jin, which is more like the Korean server we are getting content and updates from.

Its ok if you nerf/get rid of epics/upgrades. They aren't making the game any more money, they are impossible to balance around, and trying to balance around them just leads to two screwed up servers. With the exception of templars just being outright broken, most of the issues Jin has had over the years has been due to inflated IM garbage that was necessary to keep people killable on Ran, and realistically if look at all classes on Jin that don't use blunt mastery, its not like things are really unbalanced, its just damage is a little high across the board.

Do the right thing Aztigan, fix the problem from the root, if your actually going to be implementing some changes just do it right. If you are actually going to make a legit attempt to make the game more well balanced then it currently is you need to stop hamstringing yourself by trying to work around mistakes that were made years ago.

[Kophy]

Good luck trying to balance anything if you can't make server specific changes, do an rp buyback of epics/upgrades, put a hard cap on DD, or just ignore Ran server completely for all future balance changes and balance the game around Jin, which is more like the Korean server we are getting content and updates from.

Its ok if you nerf/get rid of epics/upgrades. They aren't making the game any more money, they are impossible to balance around, and trying to balance around them just leads to two screwed up servers. With the exception of templars just being outright broken, most of the issues Jin has had over the years has been due to inflated IM garbage that was necessary to keep people killable on Ran, and realistically if look at all classes on Jin that don't use blunt mastery, its not like things are really unbalanced, its just damage is a little high across the board.

Do the right thing Aztigan, fix the problem from the root, if your actually going to be implementing some changes just do it right. If you are actually going to make a legit attempt to make the game more well balanced then it currently is you need to stop hamstringing yourself by trying to work around mistakes that were made years ago.

Epics/Upgradeds aren't the root of the problem... they are a symptom of the root of the problem.

[PrinceOfDaSouth]

Good luck trying to balance anything if you can't make server specific changes, do an rp buyback of epics/upgrades, put a hard cap on DD, or just ignore Ran server completely for all future balance changes and balance the game around Jin, which is more like the Korean server we are getting content and updates from.

Its ok if you nerf/get rid of epics/upgrades. They aren't making the game any more money, they are impossible to balance around, and trying to balance around them just leads to two screwed up servers. With the exception of templars just being outright broken, most of the issues Jin has had over the years has been due to inflated IM garbage that was necessary to keep people killable on Ran, and realistically if look at all classes on Jin that don't use blunt mastery, its not like things are really unbalanced, its just damage is a little high across the board.

Do the right thing Aztigan, fix the problem from the root, if your actually going to be implementing some changes just do it right. If you are actually going to make a legit attempt to make the game more well balanced then it currently is you need to stop hamstringing yourself by trying to work around mistakes that were made years ago.

Yea umm......no, why not just completly wipe all items from both servers if your gonna do that

[Gadwin83]

Yea umm......no, why not just completly wipe all items from both servers if your gonna do that

Because weapons on Jin aren't an issue. I don't think you realize what a piece of **** your dhan is going to be because of upgrade DD soon as people start using skill defense. Even if your consistently hitting 150k dpp's, factor in 70dd and 36% skill defense, which isn't too tough to hit and is likely going to be a range people with good epics are close too for damage mitigation. Templars might be a little lower on the dd but are going to have more skill defense off their shield, and dual wield humans are probably going to be higher on the dd and right at 36% skill defense.

150 x .3 x .64 = 28880 damage, against people that all have inflated hp...yeah thats not going to be an issue. Have fun never being able to kill anyone who's willing to click a pot.

Good luck if you come across one of those dual wield humans over 80, or even 90 dd. You'll be lucky if a dpp is even hitting 10ks. Do you see why upgrades are stupid yet? Nothing is going to be balanced around those broken numbers, even if you ignore Jin you could never even balance Ran when you have a handful of people that are going to be over 90 dd, and other people in the 5x range. You can't balance anything when you have a minority of players taking 1/5 of the damage other players are taking.

[PrinceOfDaSouth]

Because weapons on Jin aren't an issue. I don't think you realize what a piece of **** your dhan is going to be because of upgrade DD soon as people start using skill defense. Even if your consistently hitting 150k dpp's, factor in 70dd and 36% skill defense, which isn't too tough to hit and is likely going to be a range people with good epics are close too for damage mitigation. Templars might be a little lower on the dd but are going to have more skill defense off their shield, and dual wield humans are probably going to be higher on the dd and right at 36% skill defense.

150 x .3 x .64 = 28880 damage, against people that all have inflated hp...yeah thats not going to be an issue. Have fun never being able to kill anyone who's willing to click a pot.

Good luck if you come across one of those dual wield humans over 80, or even 90 dd. You'll be lucky if a dpp is even hitting 10ks. Do you see why upgrades are stupid yet? Nothing is going to be balanced around those broken numbers, even if you ignore Jin you could never even balance Ran when you have a handful of people that are going to be over 90 dd, and other people in the 5x range. You can't balance anything when you have a minority of players taking 1/5 of the damage other players are taking.

PvP in Ran isn't so unbalanced, The only people who get 1 shot are (A. people with less then 110 ish hp, and this only happens with a certain few vit fish and (B people who have no dd, Temps hit hard yes, a little too hard yes, the solution for Ran is in a permanent upgrade/epic sale,(this is a P2W game after all) and a slight nerf in temps. Now Jin is a different story, I imagine dhans, fish, and temps 1 shot each other regularly, which doesn't sound so fun to me. Anyway I only wanted to argue the point that taking away the Up/Epics is not a good idea from my POV, is actually the reason I like ran. If Im on Jin with my gear and a glacial weapon and I can 1-2 shot anybody on server, It seems kinda boring to me. Just my opinion and way off topic for this thread, sorry for that.

Vids please, I can log now, and let some temps whack me, but my internet is piped in by a monkey peddling a bicycle ,so if i try to make videos I will dc like crazy