Let's talk about Dhan STR Avanger

Hi guys im wondering if Str Avanger is a thing here in Origin?
Well I mean Suddenly Death + Physic Phantome do alot of DMG on Str yeah.
But how about Avanger on STR?

Yeah I know Double Physic Phantom needs Agi and olso Duplication.
But Str Avanagers Does have a little bit Agi too and Duplication does 2x Crit DMG witch could be very strong on Str right?

Also am I right that Double Physic Phantom isnt 100% Crit with Phantom Crow any more? As I know in the other Rohans DPP with Phantom Crow hat also 2x 100% Crit Rate.

So with Suddenly Death + PP + DPP + Duplication Str Avangers should be very strong Single Targed DMG Dealer?

Or is Str Avanger in this Game very bad and im complitly wrong?

I think most that are doing dhans are going the pred route so they get some aoes.

i started a str avenger and got it to about lvl20 before i said f it and made a guard something about a buff to prevent exp loss on the first tree sr=truck me as if to say dont bother pvp you gonna get raped if you can point a buff like that at lvl5 there is an issue they tried to kill the assassians off i think

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Originally Posted by ArrBoo

Hi guys im wondering if Str Avanger is a thing here in Origin?
Well I mean Suddenly Death + Physic Phantome do alot of DMG on Str yeah.
But how about Avanger on STR?

Yeah I know Double Physic Phantom needs Agi and olso Duplication.
But Str Avanagers Does have a little bit Agi too and Duplication does 2x Crit DMG witch could be very strong on Str right?

Also am I right that Double Physic Phantom isnt 100% Crit with Phantom Crow any more? As I know in the other Rohans DPP with Phantom Crow hat also 2x 100% Crit Rate.

So with Suddenly Death + PP + DPP + Duplication Str Avangers should be very strong Single Targed DMG Dealer?

Or is Str Avanger in this Game very bad and im complitly wrong?

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What I marked red, is what I'm curious about as well. Oh and Avenger is BEGGING you to go Agi, it wants to be played as agi, not as str. However you could probably still kill things with str considdering SA + PP + DPP (Dup scales on agi rather than melee).

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Originally Posted by PenguinJoe

I think most that are doing dhans are going the pred route so they get some aoes.

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Yup pred's the way to go to lvl up, go avenger when you're 100 and kill things, before that, pred + non stop questing will do.

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Originally Posted by ragingredneck

i started a str avenger and got it to about lvl20 before i said f it and made a guard something about a buff to prevent exp loss on the first tree sr=truck me as if to say dont bother pvp you gonna get raped if you can point a buff like that at lvl5 there is an issue they tried to kill the assassians off i think

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If you got to lvl 20 you neither played avenger nor did you really explore your char and comming class (50+). Kind of weird to base your statment on al lvl 20 char don't you think so?

The difference in this game between thinking you're the shit and actually being shit, is by basing your opinion solely on skill descriptions which have never been 100% correct in the past and doubtfully are now. Although I must say they did a half-decent job with the descriptions this time around - some things and their actual effects may still surprise you. Some stuff that may appear to be of little importance, can sometimes make the biggest differences.

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Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix

The difference in this game between thinking you're the shit and actually being shit, is by basing your opinion solely on skill descriptions which have never been 100% correct in the past and doubtfully are now. Although I must say they did a half-decent job with the descriptions this time around - some things and their actual effects may still surprise you. Some stuff that may appear to be of little importance, can sometimes make the biggest differences.

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When you have korean devs who program and design this stuff and then you have other people with minimum ingame knowledge whom translate those things from korean to english....well yea then you get what happens in rohan, heaps of mistranslations.

Basically you just have to test all skills/buffs of all classes or ask people to test if for you (which is what I do) since I don't have time to play every class and build like I've done in the past at Jainus.

Not to mention that sometimes one word can make all the difference. Like enhancement and refinement for example..

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Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix

Not to mention that sometimes one word can make all the difference. Like enhancement and refinement for example..

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I lolled, while forreal, I should have cried.

I have a good feeling Str avenger will be better than predator for PvP. The fact it has Order Swing (and I believe toxic potion), and a much more reliable MX is huge considering the cooldown drops on its offense and how short pot cooldowns are.

You are right. Avenger was always a PvP-focused class, while a Predator was designed as a PvE/Support class.

I haven't seen that PWi has changed the focus of the xclass jobs too much in Origin.

I think the biggest conceptual change I've noticed is on the ranger. It's fundamentally different in how it's going to need to play, and while I think it will be a potent 1v1 class from its self-scaling and single-target utility, I see it bringing very little group support and overall a lot of frustration given the lack of WF. Looks kind of like a ranged str dhan, but not as good at outright killing tanks from a lack of MX.

There are definitely some viability issues with builds like int dekan being garbage at the moment, and I haven't looked into the giant, but so far everything seems pretty much conceptually the same. Avenger will probably be fine in high-level PvP. Just right now I think people are focused on amping their stats as much as possible to stay alive, and like the predator for Royal Mask and its AoE damage.

I am very miffed that instead of reworking separation/evolve they just allow it in evolve, now. Dekan and sepa builds have probably the coolest attack and movement animations in the game and now there's no reason to ever leave evolve at all :\

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Originally Posted by soulholder

I think the biggest conceptual change I've noticed is on the ranger. It's fundamentally different in how it's going to need to play, and while I think it will be a potent 1v1 class from its self-scaling and single-target utility, I see it bringing very little group support and overall a lot of frustration given the lack of WF. Looks kind of like a ranged str dhan, but not as good at outright killing tanks from a lack of MX.

There are definitely some viability issues with builds like int dekan being garbage at the moment, and I haven't looked into the giant, but so far everything seems pretty much conceptually the same. Avenger will probably be fine in high-level PvP. Just right now I think people are focused on amping their stats as much as possible to stay alive, and like the predator for Royal Mask and its AoE damage.

I am very miffed that instead of reworking separation/evolve they just allow it in evolve, now. Dekan and sepa builds have probably the coolest attack and movement animations in the game and now there's no reason to ever leave evolve at all :\

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I'm dissapointed with ranger, it doesn't have the burst dmg dhans have (SA and MX are OP) and it has literally no way to defend himself. They should have given them a buff like Shadow or Roha's blessing at least without WF. They are currently left behind with no mobility advantage, no real burst to kill tanks. Basically everything a ranger can do, a scout can do as well except it's aoe and has party buffs.

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Originally Posted by soulholder

I think the biggest conceptual change I've noticed is on the ranger. It's fundamentally different in how it's going to need to play, and while I think it will be a potent 1v1 class from its self-scaling and single-target utility, I see it bringing very little group support and overall a lot of frustration given the lack of WF. Looks kind of like a ranged str dhan, but not as good at outright killing tanks from a lack of MX.

There are definitely some viability issues with builds like int dekan being garbage at the moment, and I haven't looked into the giant, but so far everything seems pretty much conceptually the same. Avenger will probably be fine in high-level PvP. Just right now I think people are focused on amping their stats as much as possible to stay alive, and like the predator for Royal Mask and its AoE damage.

I am very miffed that instead of reworking separation/evolve they just allow it in evolve, now. Dekan and sepa builds have probably the coolest attack and movement animations in the game and now there's no reason to ever leave evolve at all :\

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Smoked some good ****?^^ you never could and never will be able to use Separation while in Dragonform. And yes its tested and confirmed.

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Originally Posted by DeadMansEnd

Smoked some good ****?^^ you never could and never will be able to use Separation while in Dragonform. And yes its tested and confirmed.

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sorry but it was possible :D glitches in this game can surprise you

Definitely some major changes to the Half Elves. Ranger was nerfed a bit - esp with the removal of WF. Scouts are more viable for PvE now (I rolled a new one for building to a scout).

STR avenger is dead. Mortal rising doesn't improve dmg on pp and DPP crits. Go STR pred it's great for farming not sure PvP wise.And duplication is actually 3x crit dmg on second hit which makes agi avenger able to burst you with about 7 crits

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Originally Posted by DeadMansEnd

Smoked some good ****?^^ you never could and never will be able to use Separation while in Dragonform. And yes its tested and confirmed.

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Someone else said otherwise a few days ago, so I just assumed this was the case. They also cut sepa viability dramatically if this is the case given the potency of the evolve passives and how things like hp/mp leech cannot be achieved otherwise in-game without the ludicrously-expensive options, not to mention overall reducing the number of important skills separation utilized. The Evolve passives really just needed to be made baseline or buffs, sadly. I think evolve running a dagger is probably better-off still over separation, particularly when studying the cut defensive stats.

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Originally Posted by snipers334

I'm dissapointed with ranger, it doesn't have the burst dmg dhans have (SA and MX are OP) and it has literally no way to defend himself. They should have given them a buff like Shadow or Roha's blessing at least without WF. They are currently left behind with no mobility advantage, no real burst to kill tanks. Basically everything a ranger can do, a scout can do as well except it's aoe and has party buffs.

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The big differences here are Toxic Pot, Silence Shot, and Cataclysm's utility gains and how skills now are applied within Siege Shot's bonus damage (it boosts RA directly now). Speed Wind is seemingly a waste of points with how poor the attack speed on the crossbow is despite the increase. It definitively makes DPH on skills huge when added onto Death Chaser. Root + Ensnare means 12s of straight immob to your target enabling a safe 1v1 siege shot, allowing for Toxic Pot -> Silence -> Cataclysm -> DC -> 1pt Bleeding/PPierce -> Murder Shot -> Double Strike -> Strip Shot -> Crit Shot back into another Root -> Double Strike with intermittent AA's and PPierces. It's a huge sum of damage to say the least. The lack of any good defense is a major issue however, especially considering the aforementioned abilities only have purpose in PvP environments against isolated targets, and make the ranger itself pretty much a sitting duck for anything more than a 1v1.

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Originally Posted by soulholder

Someone else said otherwise a few days ago, so I just assumed this was the case. They also cut sepa viability dramatically if this is the case given the potency of the evolve passives and how things like hp/mp leech cannot be achieved otherwise in-game without the ludicrously-expensive options, not to mention overall reducing the number of important skills separation utilized. The Evolve passives really just needed to be made baseline or buffs, sadly. I think evolve running a dagger is probably better-off still over separation, particularly when studying the cut defensive stats.



The big differences here are Toxic Pot, Silence Shot, and Cataclysm's utility gains and how skills now are applied within Siege Shot's bonus damage (it boosts RA directly now). Speed Wind is seemingly a waste of points with how poor the attack speed on the crossbow is despite the increase. It definitively makes DPH on skills huge when added onto Death Chaser. Root + Ensnare means 12s of straight immob to your target enabling a safe 1v1 siege shot, allowing for Toxic Pot -> Silence -> Cataclysm -> DC -> 1pt Bleeding/PPierce -> Murder Shot -> Double Strike -> Strip Shot -> Crit Shot back into another Root -> Double Strike with intermittent AA's and PPierces. It's a huge sum of damage to say the least. The lack of any good defense is a major issue however, especially considering the aforementioned abilities only have purpose in PvP environments against isolated targets, and make the ranger itself pretty much a sitting duck for anything more than a 1v1.

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The combo's seem great but yea...in rohan it's rarely a 1 vs 1 situation specially now you can basically only go guild vs. guild if you want to pvp. I'd rather have seen that ranger would've gotten less damage but kept wf at a permanent 80% mobility at lvl 7. This would've made them more viable pvp and pve wise.