Warning! warlocks feed back.

So guys, most of people don't like to play with warlocks, but with the new server I see that warlocks have alot of potential. YET, there is 1 problem.

I believe that warlock is the only character that needs to use 99% of his skills in pvp.

Which means, he needs more skill points. I hope you GMS put this in mind, warlock can be used in pvp/pve in the same time, is why he needs more skill points.
Because out of his 41 skills, he uses 34 skills in pvp, and 1 for ses/skills reset which I think will be used in this server. Add to the 35 skills that are being used in pvp, 3skills that are not used in pvp but are used in pve, which are Health coil, Mana coil and Count Blow. Then there are these skills that arent being used at all and they are 2 Broken Barrier and Portal warp+ wide pollution that is not used for warlocks build.

So basically warlock uses 38 skills for pvp and pve, you need 5 points on every skill 5*38= 190points, but he only gets 115 skill points.

I disagree.

Warlocks need many skills, yes - but you're not short on skillpoints. That's the whole ordeal on having different builds. Eventually you'll have to choose on being full out pvE or fullout pvP or a mix therein. Either how it's more than managable and yes, I've been with great warlocks back in the old days and I've farmed together with one for a looong time (ok granted, SHE farmed - I talked).

If nothing else, get your less important skills lvl 2-3 or 4 and ses them up to the desired lvl.

Also, why wouldn't you use the coils in pvP????

As for Count blow,, really?

I'm sure there are some guides on warlocks to be found - I can't get it now, i'm still at work.. they aren't updated to the new changes, but lots of it is still applicable if you're going for an int build. Nowadays it's a fanfest to go full vit but i'm kind of against that °°°°°°-°

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Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix

I disagree.

Warlocks need many skills, yes - but you're not short on skillpoints. That's the whole ordeal on having different builds. Eventually you'll have to choose on being full out pvE or fullout pvP or a mix therein. Either how it's more than managable and yes, I've been with great warlocks back in the old days and I've farmed together with one for a looong time (ok granted, SHE farmed - I talked).

If nothing else, get your less important skills lvl 2-3 or 4 and ses them up to the desired lvl.

Also, why wouldn't you use the coils in pvP????

As for Count blow,, really?

I'm sure there are some guides on warlocks to be found - I can't get it now, i'm still at work.. they aren't updated to the new changes, but lots of it is still applicable if you're going for an int build. Nowadays it's a fanfest to go full vit but i'm kind of against that °°°°°°-°

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Coils damage sucks, and if they are used in pvp other important skills will not be up. You don't get it, building the WARLOCK skill tree ONLY will take the most points, which will leave nothing for other skills in the mage tree like Frozen Ice which I for sure need it 5, debuff which I need it 5, magic reflection which I need it 5, Broken Bag which I need it 5, tarming mind and cold wave which I need them 5 as warlocks don't have many stuns "ses'd later ofcourse".
You may need to take a look in warlocks build for sure.

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Originally Posted by lightsinthesky

Well, humans and dhans could do with extra sp too, but the point of limiting SP is to create build diversity.

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I know, i'm just saying warlocks have these great skills to be major op, just if they all are lvl'd well.

Warlock can have mirror, fake death, frozen ice, root, stun, 60% debuff, level drop, ability drain, broken treasure. Those all skills that can greatly affect on others, beside the great magic damage that he deals can make him super op. But in order to do that u need to max most of these skills.

With insurgents chain+12 and his ability to drop MP, leaving the other opponent USELESS.

I can tell you because I am a former expert on warlocks that they dont need extra SP. A lot of their skills dont scale well with lvl 6/7 take for example grasping root its only 10% more damage and 1 second duration for lvl 6 save a sp get it to lvl 4 and cap it with an SES. AOE toxic pot same thing 2 seconds and 1 target more for 1 sp save it get it lvl 4 cap with an SES. Break ability has 30 second cooldown so really you only need lvl 1 and cap it with an SES for unlimited uptime (its a 1v1 skill anyways). The burst damage potential is just not there you think you will be able to kill people with an int warlock but that wont happen through the burst damage of energy sphere int beam and magic push it might happen from a good polution mind if you are lucky. People have too much health even on this new server you will see people go past 30k hp which is when warlocks start to become **** but the disable potential will always be there.

You have all the skillpoints you need to build an effective warlock.

If you can't adapt your skill tree, adapt your gear.

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Originally Posted by ShadowAce

I can tell you because I am a former expert on warlocks that they dont need extra SP. A lot of their skills dont scale well with lvl 6/7 take for example grasping root its only 10% more damage and 1 second duration for lvl 6 save a sp get it to lvl 4 and cap it with an SES. AOE toxic pot same thing 2 seconds and 1 target more for 1 sp save it get it lvl 4 cap with an SES. Break ability has 30 second cooldown so really you only need lvl 1 and cap it with an SES for unlimited uptime (its a 1v1 skill anyways). The burst damage potential is just not there you think you will be able to kill people with an int warlock but that wont happen through the burst damage of energy sphere int beam and magic push it might happen from a good polution mind if you are lucky. People have too much health even on this new server you will see people go past 30k hp which is when warlocks start to become **** but the disable potential will always be there.

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First of all, I didn't say something about 6's and 7's, im talking about making them 5 THE BASE/FIRST points.
Okay I may agree u with the toxic pot. But I rather have break ability lvl 6 so I can cast it on 2 people than having it 1..lol @ at break ability is 1vs1 , break ability isn't necessarily a 1vs1, if you used it on a dhan and left him to go he would not be able to use most of his IMPORTANT skills for along time, same for wizzs. Lol @ burst wont be enough to kill anybody, you for real, idk where u get these infos from but they are 100% false, as a good warlock has enough MORE than enough magic damage to take anybody down, and that has been proven by [Emo]NightMare on ran.

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Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix

You have all the skillpoints you need to build an effective warlock.

If you can't adapt your skill tree, adapt your gear.

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Why can't I adapt both, and no, I don't want to be "effective" warlock, I wan't to be main hardcore character.

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Originally Posted by Bledo

First of all, I didn't say something about 6's and 7's, im talking about making them 5 THE BASE/FIRST points.
Okay I may agree u with the toxic pot. But I rather have break ability lvl 6 so I can cast it on 2 people than having it 1..lol @ at break ability is 1vs1 , break ability isn't necessarily a 1vs1, if you used it on a dhan and left him to go he would not be able to use most of his IMPORTANT skills, same for wizzs. Lol @ burst wont be enough to kill anybody, you for real, idk where u get these infos from but they are 100% false, as a good warlock has enough MORE than enough magic damage to take anybody down, and that has been proven by [Emo]NightMare on ran.

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Proven by brett? Yeah I am sure a warlock with no IM killed anybody dont forget that he was in MY guild I would know best what he can do. Having said that break ability is a 1v1 type skill it only works on targets that can last the duration you put it on a wizz he throws himself into the equality bubble and its gone problem solved. If you are sitting in a pvp looking for people to use break ability on then you dont know how to play idk why I am even talking about warlocks to you its evident that you lack the mental capacity to play one.

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Originally Posted by Bledo

Why can't I adapt both, and no, I don't want to be "effective" warlock, I wan't to be main hardcore character.

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Because you can't be both.

You can't eat all the cakes in the world and remain skinny, unless you're me. You can't have the perfect pvE build but at the same time having the perfect pvP build (templars get close, though).



On the other hand, nobody is stopping you from having pvE armor/staff and having pvP armor/staff.
Why would you level hp/mp coils in order to pvE, if you could do the same with hp/mp leech even more effectively - whilst still maintaining the required skillpoints for a pvP build - but why would you get absorb on a pvP staff? (if, by all means, you're using a staff in pvp to begin with)..

So, basically, if you're planning on leveling count blow, why not just listen to others their advise?

..and why lose points in skill resets, when you can just build your tree good from the get go? But that's just me, ofc.


Take it as you want - you have the advise, if you're rather stuck with a half-so build - be my guest. It's yours, not mine.
I sincerely hope you enjoy it as much as you can - but requesting more skill points just in order to level everything is a no-no for me, and I hope so for the dev's as well.

Cheers
Eagle

over-and-out

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Originally Posted by ShadowAce

Proven by brett? Yeah I am sure a warlock with no IM killed anybody dont forget that he was in MY guild I would know best what he can do. Having said that break ability is a 1v1 type skill it only works on targets that can last the duration you put it on a wizz he throws himself into the equality bubble and its gone problem solved. If you are sitting in a pvp looking for people to use break ability on then you dont know how to play idk why I am even talking about warlocks to you its evident that you lack the mental capacity to play one.

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He "was" in the time he "was" lvling. And he had im, and he killed half of ur guild who aren't using upgs/epics. By saying that wizzs throwing themselves into the equality, you are basically saying that temps are OP, which is opposite of what you were saying in anyother threads, can you settle on 1 opinion please?

I lack what, yeh sure I can see that you are lacking a brain to make 1 logical sentence or settle on 1 opinion, but then again, we are talking about shadowace here.

Lol @ waiting for someone to cast break ability on, can't I just throw it on a dhan I see coming through?

That logic, rofl.

Also: one more suggestion some will hate me for it but..




use an Armor defense staff for pvE at higher lvls (6x+)






Seriously.

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Originally Posted by Bledo

He "was" in the time he "was" lvling. And he had im, and he killed half of ur guild who aren't using upgs/epics. By saying that wizzs throwing themselves into the equality, you are basically saying that temps are OP, which is opposite of what you were saying in anyother threads, can you settle on 1 opinion please?

I lack what, yeh sure I can see that you are lacking a brain to make 1 logical sentence or settle on 1 opinion, but then again, we are talking about shadowace here.

Lol @ waiting for someone to cast break ability on, can't I just throw it on a dhan I see coming through?

That logic, rofl.

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Brett cant kill **** and he knows that and hes a terrible warlock. Go ahead attack me personally because you cant justify having a high level break ability without sounding like a retard. Ive been playing warlocks for 6 years was my 1st char and I still own the same warlock what have you done?

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Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix

Because you can't be both.

You can't eat all the cakes in the world and remain skinny, unless you're me. You can't have the perfect pvE build but at the same time having the perfect pvP build (templars get close, though).



On the other hand, nobody is stopping you from having pvE armor/staff and having pvP armor/staff.
Why would you level hp/mp coils in order to pvE, if you could do the same with hp/mp leech even more effectively - whilst still maintaining the required skillpoints for a pvP build - but why would you get absorb on a pvP staff? (if, by all means, you're using a staff in pvp to begin with)..

So, basically, if you're planning on leveling count blow, why not just listen to others their advise?

..and why lose points in skill resets, when you can just build your tree good from the get go? But that's just me, ofc.


Take it as you want - you have the advise, if you're rather stuck with a half-so build - be my guest. It's yours, not mine.
I sincerely hope you enjoy it as much as you can - but requesting more skill points just in order to level everything is a no-no for me, and I hope so for the dev's as well.

Cheers
Eagle

over-and-out

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I told you, and yes i thought of having both staff, but even with not lvling those 2 skills im still missing points.
In general the problem is in the mage tree it self, if u are planning on making a warlock you won't lvl up wide pollution AND THATS IT it's only 1 skill that you don't lvl it up because it's a wiz build. But when u go other characters a savage for example, you lvl up the right side of the giant build and leave the left side which is more than 5skills because they are berserker skills, you get me?

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Originally Posted by ShadowAce

Brett cant kill **** and he knows that and hes a terrible warlock. Go ahead attack me personally because you cant justify having a high level break ability without sounding like a retard. Ive been playing warlocks for 6 years was my 1st char and I still own the same warlock what have you done?

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Listen it, idc how long you have been playing warlock you retard, I did justify u why warlocks should have higher lvl break ability, and np ama tell it you again, you can cast it on 2 people instead of 1, a wiz and dhan for example which are the most that warlocks use their break ability on, to leave them useless. In response u came back that u been playing warlock for 6 years.

Stfu because you are seriously embarrassing your self, and yes brett killed half of your guild, end of story, dont cry about it.

I don't get why you would level everything.

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Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix

I don't get why you would level everything.

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I didn't say everything, im saying that 99% of warlocks skill tree and mage tree should be up to max, because it's the only way to make warlocks main.

HP buff gives you like what? 3-5k hp on high lvl chars?? If nothing else, go ahead on maxing this but it's not top priority imho - i'd much rather use those skillpoints elsewhere..somewhere where they matter.
Count blow shouldn't be leveled, I don't understand why one would.

Broken bag, does it even work??

As for magic push, whatever you do, a message TO ALL WARLOCKS OUT THERE... LEARN TO USE ROOT BEFORE YOU USE MAGIC PUSH DURING PVE PARTIES - THE COMMUNITY THANKS YOU.


Also, don't use grasping root when templars are around.. you'll just root yourself. You don't need to lvl this one past lvl 1 ..
there, that's just 14 SP to drop elsewhere and an extra 2 for not leveling the skill reset. Oh and another 4 for not leveling count blow (i think you need it one lvl to get to the other skills, if not that's 5 SP instead).
Plus, skip the absorb skills if you're being serious. That's another 8 SP.

5k hp is a must in this server, we aren't playing on ran/jin people. Broken bag at 6 beside the weight it gives it lowers target magic resistance by 60%, which u need since u gona be an int warlock. Push is also nice, beside pushing them back it gives 220% magic boost/aeo.
Root is good as well, it's not necessary that there are temps all around the place, that's beside if u ever got rooted you can release ur self using ur impervious. shield

dark message is a terrible skill if you have that then you cant complain about wasted skillpoints.

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Originally Posted by Bledo

5k hp is a must in this server, we aren't playing on ran/jin people. Broken bag at 6 beside the weight it gives it lowers target magic resistance by 60%, which u need since u gona be an int warlock. Push is also nice, beside pushing them back it gives 220% magic boost/aeo.
Root is good as well, it's not necessary that there are temps all around the place, that's beside if u ever got rooted you can release ur self using ur impervious. shield

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I never said that root isn't good. I only said that you don't need root beyond lvl 1 - necessarily and.. why would you waste your impervious shield on your own root if you're already too busy with the roots of others? That's only adding more fuel on the fire. Again, I also didn't say that push isn't good either. I only stated that IF you use it in pvE - you should use your goddarn root FIRST (which also implies that you need that root to begin with).

I don't think you grasp the difference between skill explanation and their actual output when used.



So, again, if you're not up to taking advise of others and you're so sure of your own ideals - don't expect to be ever a 'hardcore main warlock' - just don't complain for the lack of skill points when you just don't know how to distribute them or how to play the class.
I have all the respect to anyone not knowing how to play their class (they are new, they haven't got experience with said class, they don't know what's different between skill description and actual skill output), but all that is meaningless if they're unwilling to listen to others who actually do know - or at least, know better.


At least it won't be mistaken who you are, there will be only one warlock with count blow lvl 5.







Or so I hope.


This is exactly like all those people leveling/buffing protection (human skill tree) and begging for it at ahkma cave. Why?!?
..and now, don't tell me you're one of those.

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Originally Posted by ShadowAce

dark message is a terrible skill if you have that then you cant complain about wasted skillpoints.

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Dark message is a terrible skill, so the 5khp or even more isn't useful on Isen, gtfo please.

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Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix

I never said that root isn't good. I only said that you don't need root beyond lvl 1 - necessarily and.. why would you waste your impervious shield on your own root if you're already too busy with the roots of others? That's only adding more fuel on the fire. Again, I also didn't say that push isn't good either. I only stated that IF you use it in pvE - you should use your goddarn root FIRST (which also implies that you need that root to begin with).

I don't think you grasp the difference between skill explanation and their actual output when used.



So, again, if you're not up to taking advise of others and you're so sure of your own ideals - don't expect to be ever a 'hardcore main warlock' - just don't complain for the lack of skill points when you just don't know how to distribute them or how to play the class.
I have all the respect to anyone not knowing how to play their class (they are new, they haven't got experience with said class, they don't know what's different between skill description and actual skill output), but all that is meaningless if they're unwilling to listen to others who actually do know - or at least, know better.


At least it won't be mistaken who you are, there will be only one warlock with count blow lvl 5.







Or so I hope.


This is exactly like all those people leveling/buffing protection (human skill tree) and begging for it at ahkma cave. Why?!?
..and now, don't tell me you're one of those.

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Man lvl 1 root is 2 seconds stun when 6 is 7 seconds.
who said im not taking advises? Not because we are arguing that means im not taking advises.
I do know the difference between the explanation and the output, haven't said anything that says other wise, did I?
Count blow, then again I was talking about pve/pvp same time warlock not only pve, alright?

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Originally Posted by Bledo

Man lvl 1 root is 2 seconds stun when 6 is 7 seconds.
who said im not taking advises? Not because we are arguing that means im not taking advises.
I do know the difference between the explanation and the output, haven't said anything that says other wise, did I?
Count blow, then again I was talking about pve/pvp same time warlock not only pve, alright?

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You're absolutely right. I'm flabbergasted why we didn't see that.

The glass isn't half full, nor is it half empty. It's just not filled up enough.


This class lacks SP.


One should be able to level all skills to max. Actually, one should level all skills to max.

It's pointless even trying to play this class without maxing all its skills.



(and yeah, i'm well aware you meant count blow to be for pvE - my point exactly).


Should make a petition for this - moar skill points! Where do I sign?

Or not because I don't agree on what you say until u give a reliable explanation, that means im not taking advises.

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Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix

I disagree.

Warlocks need many skills, yes - but you're not short on skillpoints. That's the whole ordeal on having different builds. Eventually you'll have to choose on being full out pvE or fullout pvP or a mix therein. Either how it's more than managable and yes, I've been with great warlocks back in the old days and I've farmed together with one for a looong time (ok granted, SHE farmed - I talked).

If nothing else, get your less important skills lvl 2-3 or 4 and ses them up to the desired lvl.

Also, why wouldn't you use the coils in pvP????

As for Count blow,, really?

I'm sure there are some guides on warlocks to be found - I can't get it now, i'm still at work.. they aren't updated to the new changes, but lots of it is still applicable if you're going for an int build. Nowadays it's a fanfest to go full vit but i'm kind of against that °°°°°°-°

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This is my source. Hope it's reliable enough for you.

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Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix

You're absolutely right. I'm flabbergasted why we didn't see that.

The glass isn't half full, nor is it half empty. It's just not filled up enough.


This class lacks SP.


One should be able to level all skills to max. Actually, one should level all skills to max.

It's pointless even trying to play this class without maxing all its skills.



(and yeah, i'm well aware you meant count blow to be for pvE - my point exactly).


Should make a petition for this - moar skill points! Where do I sign?

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alright, when u take it more serious come and and post it. Anyhow, the thread was for GMS who are supposed to think about it, then send it to devs who think about it also. But sorry for the word, thread isn't made for dumb players who never played warlock before, or who played 1 but can't come with good explanation, or even bsing about things, and making up some statements that are totally false to show that they know something.

Then, by your leave, I'll leave you to it :)
Good luck! (sincerely)

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Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix

This is my source. Hope it's reliable enough for you.

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Then again, jesus crise, we are talking about new server, I can't lower the lvl of my skills to pvp then I wont be able to farm.
and then again, every class in the game has the first tree separated into what build you will be later, but wizzs and warlocks (Mages) they get to have every skill in their first build but only 1-2. This only is the main problem they are lacking points.

Nyaah im choosing the worst build for my warlock then :(, byt then again i alrdy did solo all ahkma cave bosses on it :D

ITT: people who are too weak to assess and prioritize skills so they need the nanny (playwith) to help them.


Once you start pvping with a warlock you will see what skills you use the least often and lower the skillpoints. Guardians have the same problem defenders have the same problem there are some skills you wont use often that you put at lvl 2-3 and cap with an SES thats the way this game works stop being bad noob**** bleedo. Maybe you should stick to templar but you cant play that either idk maybe you should quit and stick to private servers.

@Lightning: I would take sps out of dispell magic and put it into prevent pet its an amazing skill can drop dps and health as well as put the 1 point into reveal and you should get portal warp lvl 2+ses for that instant gtfo button.

Count Blow does add damage to each Pollution Mind tick, though. But even if you could max every single skill and are well equipped I suspect it still would not be enough to be a huge damage dealer in PvP, compared to others (others being the "proper" damage classes and especially the two broken non-damage classes), provided they would be equally well equipped. The mirror and reflection skills can be exceptions, if you are lucky. The problem is that your attacks are slow, damage skills have long casting time and they don't have high enough damage boost (or simply scale with Int) to be proper nukes. In the end you will be the one who is messing around with the opponents putting debuffs on them.

We did test that on ran already, you can kill a person with sd armors and glacial dagger with 44+dd in less than 10 seconds, if you are full intbuffd/almd and scrolled.

wow not all ppl should give suggestions

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Originally Posted by lightsinthesky

Ahh. Rate is pretty crap I guess, but that feeling of satisfaction when maxed dispel successes.... >_<

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It also removes negative effects for example if you are vacuumed and weaknessed a dispell could remove both of those. Having said that dispell magic is not an effective use of your time area spell and erase both have rather low cooldowns leave it to them. I dont see many warlocks spamming prevent pet it is literally the best skill in the game.

Back in the old days - before 10sec spam pots / teardrops and what not else - it was fun to cast pet prevent on near dead targets along with toxic pot and watch them falter when their molly didn't heal and they couldn't use pots.
Oh, the joy.

It also sucked if I was the guardian on whom it was being used on. That was before I discovered the use of Blue Drain ;) I simply love that skill, trolling reasons included.

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Originally Posted by lightsinthesky

I think that skill is bugged then, 'cause it's never worked for me to remove debuff effects on myself or party members. Doesn't even let you cast it.

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No its for the enemy you can use dispell magic on an enemy and risk removing negative effects on them as well as buffs.