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Hehe i have my own house and bills that i have to pay.. and a gf cost monny to xD so that means i cant pay myself to the top like you or other ppl here.. a few weeks ago i bought a hp zhen and yeah i was happy with it.. but now... it was better to put the cash in the toilet.. it was a waste like manny times and do i ever see that monny again? No because it crap now after that update...
I've payed maybe 50 bucks in all the time I played rohan and I had a vit dekan with close to 500k hp(full buffs) in the past which did not have all maxed out items.....Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkTuramus
The decisions (+ some luck) decide if you get rich, you need to sell your items at the right moment and buy new ones at the right moment too....I've had times in which I lost 10-20k ecash just because of updates or server merges. Other times I got a 4x upgraded weapon as drop while pking or made a good deal and got 10-20k back...
Your hp zhen is fine because you can still easily grind with your dekan and get it to +50 which will take years anyway lel. You also don't know what future updates will bring thus maybe increasing or dropping the price of your zhen further.....
I agree with you and lets wait wat will come :p if i dont like it i can always quit xD
So do you guys think that this is the end of days for Dekans, or do we have people overreacting some?
They can't understand that dekan hasn't been touched yet besides the new OP skill which reflect the dmg xd But as far as I know they are going to touch str dekan mostly. No changes for ffs/wffs/dffs, or if they gonna change the vit skills it may affect DD somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karazy1337
People are overreacting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karazy1337
Can't believe how this game is still going, there's classes that can one-hit anything that isn't full-vit, there's classes that can reach 100% DD, there's classes that can dish out 10k DPS solo easily if the target has less than 95% DD. How can anyone play this? Someone presses a button, dead, someone takes no damage from me, dead, etc.
Karazy, if you ask me personally as a(former) veteran endgame PvPer, the game has been beyond salvation for a couple of years now, whatever you choose to buff or nerf is not going to achieve anything but make a few people happy. Maybe you're in for an analogy: You're bringing a bucket of water in order to extinguish a burning skyscraper. Except PWI in the meantime has switched the water in the bucket for some jet fuel - i.e. people have been asking for nerfs instead PWI released IM stuff that was better than the best **** you could get ingame(dunno if that's still the case). Frankly, everything in the game from and after Ronelia(!) requires a rework or overhaul to actually balance the game and almost everything out of the game has to go. Permanently. Fire trucks, Karazy. Not buckets.
PS: Worry not, I know nobody from the management would actually listen to such an idea and thus I really don't care whether or not you "forward it to your superiors". I know how they do it:
"Let's make 5k Int Stones for Temps, they don't hit enough thus we're losing customers."
"And make Blunt Mastery ignore DD while you're at it."
"Don't forget to add 2k attack."
#balancingyourbankaccountsince2009
Over reacting...at least wait until the rest of the patches before QQ fest. It might might not even matter if blunt doesn't get nerfed, game still be broke as **** lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karazy1337
People that don't know enough about the game are over reacting. Dekan (Dragon Sage +20 or more) is currently the most OP class in game. If you don't believe me, check Ahriman playing at PA....You'll see him doing Reverse Scale and killing everything that hits him lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karazy1337
Can see you are a retired veteran player, you are not correctly informed at all. There are multiple viable classes, people don't ''1 shot'' eachother anymore. With the current focus being team based pvp you can get a 55% attack boost from party auras. with the +20 skills which for some classes are also party buffs you can get even more including more pdf/critrate/hp etc. Guardians are very strong, templars are strong, dragon sage is VERY strong, defenders do heaps of damage as well, Noirs are (when played correctly) really OP as well, Str dhans can still kill everything 1 vs 1 with silence and their DD pen skill(Okay maybe Rumir is hard to kill, in general all vit classes like priest/vit def/rumir got buffed). Ranger WILL be OP considdering their 230% + 250% accumulating damage boost on Siege Shot and +20 skill. Basically all the classes that were patched/are getting patched are good. DD changed as well and it's better to use dagger or mace and shield rather than dual wield atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrontlinerCDV
The increasing variety in pvp is already noticable, past classes that were only deemed as buffer are now actually popular and people play them. To have guild war/boss war or PA you actually need more than just temps and priests and a vit def.
Instead of repeating stuff that people have been saying for years, you should go online and check for yourself or don't say anything at all.
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Originally Posted by snipers334
Fool dont talk to german chris like that he is literally a pvp expert. Just because something works on your noobass characters doesnt mean it would work in the league of pvp german chris would be in if he was still playing this game. We are talking on a strictly min-max front where people use every tool in the game to win.
Also just because theres more variety now than lets say 6 months ago when I quit doesnt mean the game is going in the right direction. There are still a lot of classes that are completely useless and offer nothing so basically delete your lies and apologize.
Are you just stupid or do you pretend to be xD? ''he would be'' ''if he stil was'' he's not playing so what is he basing his conclusions on? His ''epic pvp experiences in the past''? That doesn't make sense because things changed. Keep dwelling in the past and your mind will be clouded for what you might find in the future, good luck with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnyangel
More variety means more playable classes to pvp with than just Noir/Temp/Str Avenger/Vit DK. This is definitely an improvement.
Are you really saying this lmao? You say the same thing as a lvl 100 noob I met the otherday that played a vit dekan that doesn't do the damage it used to do lmfao. Did all classes get their balance patch yet? Nope, will they get a balance patch? Yes, Is any opinion about the current non patched classes usefull? No because it will change.Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnyangel
Sniper, I'm more than happy to admit that I'm totally out of the loop and can only base my knowledge of the current state of the game of what I've seen happening in the past(especially with this company) and from the outcries on these forums(Rumir 2 OP - you say that yourself). If I'm wrong, hey, so be it, doesn't matter to me anymore.
Maybe someone could upload a PvP vid of the classes that were made viable with the latest patch, I'd appreciate that.
Edit: I appreciate your kind words Strellan, but this oldfag from 3 years ago doesn't know a damn thing :P
What do we know anyway?
And as far as Trinity classes go: they're OP, they don't need to level to 50 because they get a 51 lvl boost within the first 20minutes of starting. They don't need to bother with armors/weapons in those first 60 lvls as they get it for free - not quite sure why that was deemed a good idea, unless they intend to give everyone a boost to 51 with weapons and armors included, but then again - could as well turn all the city and pine maps etc, into some higher level mobs.
I know a really pro guard who is planning on recording some of his gameplay pvp. I don't know any Savages/Berserkers/Defenders that plan on doing so but if you wait some time I'm sure some people will upload some pvp stuff. Since everything is going to be self buffed and savages can snatch most buffs they will be good, especially if they get their +20 skill which will acumulate damage (like OS or SA). Guards just got very strong because of their damage buffs and due to having 50% blockrate while the DD cap is set at 70-80% and the new weapons allow you to use 30% DD pen stones you can't decrease blockrate which is basically 50% pure DD(yes i know it doesn't block magic stuff but DD classes do mostly AA or phys dmg.) and also prevents other guards/Giants/dhans from stacking OS/CS. CS got boosted and the +20 skill from guard is insane as well. crit aura now gives 25% attack force and 7% crit and emp gives 30% attack force and 45% pdf. It's very usefull to have both of these classes in your team together with a temp/priest/rumir to pvp etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrontlinerCDV
If you wanna get a little more up-to-date about all the changes (except for the stuff I wrote down) I'd advice you to read the Conquerer patch details and also the current giant/human patch details and you can even see the upcomming half elf details (with some google translate form the korean website).
If I find any good pvp video I'll post it on the forums :)
You are correct that PWI screwed up plenty of times but this change is definitely a step in the right direction.
Mag ik je bril lenen?Quote:
Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix
I wondered why you get that boost as well, my assumption is that it's done to encourage people to make that class and check it out(make it fast 50 coz you'd not have to transmute low lvl weps into your arrendal etc). Also the skills below lvl 50 are.....total crap, after lvl 50 you start to actually have a skillset that you can use beside some aoe and a short buff lol. I think they just wanted to make it a bit different from the current classes, something new. That succeeded except that something new also became something OP. Wondering if they'll give Trinity a balance patch too, if so, probably as last class.
ok i answer this,how many +20 dekan exist atm lol while other classes can pvp under +20 lvl there wont be many +20 dekan and its easy to be ignore that skill close ur aoe and stop hit him 60 sec,if ur not retard.
Balancing is done for endgame purposes, it's not about how many +20 there currently are (they just patched it compared to the full time rohan exists) Look further than just the day of tomorrow. In the future there will be heaps of +20 people (if rohan survives). You think forcing a templar to off their AOE is something small lol? Part of their power like gaining heaps of HP back with euphoria from AOE's will not be possible for that time. Also If a dekan comes running in mid-fight they wont have time to off their AOE. In the past I killed plenty of people with warlocks with mirror lvl 7 (thats 3 hits only, okay 6 hits if you time it perfectly), this is 60 seconds of reflection lol.....Quote:
Originally Posted by YuMadBro
I don't think it should be balanced with mainly +20+ in mind, since new players would like to see some balance within a reasonable time of their gameplay. But gaining huge damage from maximum amount of HP is a silly idea anyway, so for Dekans I would only wait for some improvement in the str/int skills and maybe give a new purpose for vit build because the FFS skills do not really contribute to a healthy game.
FFS was imo not intended to be the centre of a build, but rather as a finisher in str/int/sepa builds with reasonable HP pools. Say, if you needed that little burst to finish someone off before they can re-pot.
Then again, teardrops/10sec pots and what not else kind of defeated that purpose anyway.
Before DFFS and WFFS, what was the build worth? Just standing there tanking with but one attack.
If you didn't one hit them in a single hit - your gameplay was over. They couldn't kill you, you couldn't kill them and only had one attack every half minute or whatever the CD was.
Balance patches so far have been for all lvl's, since dekan did not have it's balance patch yet I cant speculate about that, I can only say that at endgame lvl the dekan sage conq skill is OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by bosshunt
I really do hope they change sage to intel and knight to str (skillsets), like they were at the 99 cap etc. Like Eagle said, FFS was not intended as main skill but as a finishing blow that did true damage and could only be resisted or blocked my a magic resist shield (like rangers one). Before WFFS/DFFS you did not see many full vit dekans but mostly str/int ones, I wish to retun to those times :3
Also, str sages were good for farming as well. I've been str all the way, regardless of the whole VIT bandwagon.
yep true, curently I'm a str sage and kill bunch of mobs quite fast with 7 splitter and zhen counter skill, yet WFFS still does 1 hit in Ash, so I'm happy with str :DQuote:
Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix
STR sage is nice but scout/temp/rumir farms faster(scout) and temp/rumir is tanky enough to go to WH etc. Although it's nice STR sage gets their AOE on a low lvl (56 i think) so they lvl up easy.
Man I wish MrPWI changed Scouts and Preds AoE buffs to lvl5x in the slots of those useless skills they have and then we would see more of them in game.
Temp shouldn't even have any aoe to speak off (who the fuck thought that was a good idea? Also temp 1xx+ comparing to farming below 1xx does not hold merit. No temp farms faster without the aoeing, unless your str sage is complete garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by snipers334
You know what is funny? That people do not even mention a PSY WIZARD as a farming class. Anybody actually still remembers it has a 3 SEC aoe? How is that for farming? Oh exactly, everybody is stuck into VIT-mindset. It also doesn't need an IM and buffs are actually just a bonus if you know how to use AD. Can get some? Great. Can't get some? Who cares, still good.
Scout only becomes viable at level 56 and having unlocked at least 3 AOE's (thanks to the long CD's), but it can't tank for shit unless you IM or overgear it.
For some reason PWi figured Trinity classes can skip that 'issue', by immediately granting them access to the mid levels, geared and all.
Str sage doesn't need any buffs either. Str buffs are great, but it's not like that little extra inflated melee will actually matter.. this class can get one of the highest melee - unfortunately YNK / PWi do not know how to work these inflated/pure stats.
If purely for farming aka hunterkitting, it's pretty great as you do not need any buffs either (ty AD) - as long as your HK doesn't break down on you.
Oh wait, it does - it's made by PWi. Here I thought 'made in China' had a bad aftertaste, guess again.
Btw, a dekan's aoe is already located in the first skilltree...
Completely AgreeQuote:
Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix
Temps Aoe... ...damn son because hitting hard wasn't enough.
Psy wizz aren't even mentioned anywhere since everyone started to go full vit QQ(I love wizz btw).
Scouts stupid long Aoes cooldown. That is why i prefer Scatter Shot at lvl5x rather than 111-115
Str Sage/DKs stupid inflated melee(Great but useless in pvp xD), that Aoe was good when stats wasn't so inflated, pvp i mean.
...why you hate preds? =_=
they need moar luv.
At low lvls they are only good to heal pts with healing trap :(
Btw i meant the previous post to point out that those pve classes should get a new role in the game like not just make Savage, str Sage, psy Wizz or Rumir/Noir. If they moved Scatter Shot and Octopus to lvl5x we would have more choices for pve classes than just lvl111 then start being worth having -.-
the good old days when full dekans pts and 1 priest were doing rampage in pvp with mass wffs.
now everyone selling their upgs zhens cuz they no more can 1shotta in pvp
Good :)Quote:
Originally Posted by arthurderohan
That is progress.
I'm talking about Splitter, not Zhen Counter. And in general I don't really care for AOE skills, scout isn't good due to their aoe skills but due to their AOE aa's just like 115 preds/temps/knights/defs etc. Rumirs and sages and savages have this at low lvl thus making it easy to lvl and honestly I think sage is worse than rumir and savage lol, they are better at farming/grinding than sage from my experience. The best farmers have AOE aa's coz it gives you continuously hp/mp abso and deals aoe dmg, its better than any skill based class if you ask me. And yes it's rediculous temps have AOE lolQuote:
Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix
Yea because pressing ctrl + dffs = kill is such nice gameplay, boring AF lol. It's progress but vit dekan owners won't agree for now, maybe after the balance patch :)Quote:
Originally Posted by RBNXD
ME too crying to this, some skills becomes bug after the update. But I do BELIEVE;) to them guys you see they have already doing to fix the classes. The balance patch comes and the skill bug comes. And the for to that balance patch update there is word context "Who's Next?". We all can do now is to wait, wait for the updates and patches to be announced and us to be SURPRISED or to be SHOCKED.:D:D:D:D:pQuote:
Originally Posted by snipers334
nahh, I dont like it, why? because Dekan is one of the races more easy to equip, just twins earth and str or int and he can level everywhere, he have the heal and mana , aoe lvl 58, when I started this game I started with nothing, just a Guard and he die easy everywhere, then I tried ranger, same sh1t, after that DS and I love that race, I know dekan they are op but a Temp is a killing machine, so why instead of more nerf dekan why not a Temp?, after the guard/giant patch, Dk cant hit op like before, a Dk with 250khp he cant hit at least 4k dffs while I see temps hitting 12k per mace -_____-.Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnyangel
This change makes it easier to lvl with sub par gear because a lot of the skills deal damage in max or current hp%. Meaning even if you got 1 melee attack your lvl 1 ffs will still deal 0.3% of the target's max hp + 2.7 damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by brujohechizero
"one of the chars more easy to equip"Quote:
Originally Posted by brujohechizero
Not sure if you're serious, but how many int/str dekans do you see out there before patch?..or even after?
Are you seriously saying that a guard dies easily everywhere - when in fact, humans get some serious defense? It's not because you have not got the knowledge on how to equip your guardian.. that it actually makes it a difficult class. However, if you mean to tell that you do not need to put much thought in the gearing and if that is why you chose the one over the other.. I'm fine with that. It's also not quite fair to compare an AOE class with a single target one.
By that logic, wizards/warlocks are OP, provided people do not go full vit..
Dekans need both nerfing and boosting. How is that for a contrast?
I'll give you a moment to think about that one.
As for ranger, they're not even a farm class. This is also the reason it was a party class and people used to go full vit for pulling purposes only. After leveling, they would then change to (full) dex.
Unfortunately, there are not enough players to do much partying and, since the introduction of HK's - partying is no longer something one should count upon.
A dekan with over 12k melee, still hits half the damage of say a templar with 5k..
You keep forgetting that dekans are more than a VIT shell. Characters with 250-300k hp and a crapton of defense+DD aren't supposed to be nukers/offensive and yes, you're correct.. templars shouldn't either. But that we have been saying since '08
its not the knowledge, if a new player with no $$$$ what he would do? how can equip a guard to farm? he will die easy and u need to pot everytime, with a dk/ds is only twin and u can farm nice,(earth +int or str). Other fact is.... if u will pvp with a Temp he will kill u fast just a few hits, damnn at least a DK with dffs/ffs can make a decent pvp, DS were nerfed wffs, and now after the guard/giant patch they are nerfed again, or u didnt noticed? before patch a DK with 250k hp they dffs 85k, and now 45k or less. Btw im not talking about current players, im talking about new players.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix
and for pvp? like I said before, after patch DK are hitting half dffs , no more decent pvp with a temp, not fair, what if someone pk u, u cant defend urself cuz ur nerfed???.Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnyangel
Basically you get any gear and you're set. If anything, you forge the cheapest dagger ever (you don't even need it high level) and you forge it with any option stone you get your hands one: 1x HP/MP leech, 1x crit %, 1x attack speed, 1x whatever.
You then level the knight aoe skill by 1 level.
There you go, you just got yourself hp/mp leech sufficient for grinding.
In order to save money, you forge yourself a sword with full armor defense (leech is already on the dagger), rather than damage drop. Bam, there you go - no mental barrier, almighty, defense scrolls or wiz/lock shield required. All you need are Fire twins, if you want more DPS - get yourself Water Twins. You don't even need the VIT ones for starters.
You do not make a guard to 'farm', you make it to pvP and thus it needs to grind, which works perfectly with the above.
If you want a farming char, you should be making one that can actually aoe.
Know your role in PvP. Not every class is even supposed to counter every other class in the game. That's why there are classes. Now, we only need to convince PWi of that fact.
Hitting 85k, hence even 45k is beyond ridicule.
when was the last time you play Rohan? when was the last time u forge ? are u really currently playing this game? have u seen the rates? everything is fail fail and fail, and I like said before im talking about new players, how they supposed to forge that? and if talking about farmin u said about making aoe, lets take example of scout ...I have seen new players with abs and they died easily...... So if hitting 45k is beyond ridicule how can I call a 85k shield strike????Quote:
Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix
Yeah... Any changes may affect the class character itself or even become BUGGED...:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by EaglePhoenix