DD no need be capped, just nerf temp/dhan damage and done. this thread exist cuz a qqing temp cannot kill cherist.
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DD no need be capped, just nerf temp/dhan damage and done. this thread exist cuz a qqing temp cannot kill cherist.
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Originally Posted by Demonic6000
i agree with it
Don't be capping DD!!! What reason I bought axe upgrade parts for? I bought the parts and forged axe, for 100DD human, not for a giant, not for a 9x-90 DD human *Preach It*! If we cap dd to 90 or something DD, I could've easily stayed with Dagger + Club, I already have that weapon combo.
P.S. Sure nerf DD, but if you do, i'd like to get all the money i charged in this game returned to me, because to me I see this as a breach of our contract concerning purchased things. It is as if buying something from Apple, and upon getting it it doesn't work, and money you spent for it, is not given back.
In my opinion DD should be only nerfed in the Axe weapons since its the only dat have 8xdd of all the upgrades weapongs. no need to lower the weapongs like maces/daggers/etc with 7xdd sinces is aceptable but def dual upgra 100% dd it should be nerfed like many noirs dat added 8xdd axes to their weapongs. it should be as max 7xdd as all the rest of the ppl with upgrades.
prolly not. You know that if you keep doing that they will get tired of editing your posts and simply block your account, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by eikniwt
I know you don't care, but I'm just sayin...
LIAR there no such 11% DD PH armors but only 10% LOL storyQuote:
Originally Posted by shawnc1186ishere
Want pics? XD there's also a 11% one too created by PH GM.Quote:
Originally Posted by crussandra
pics plz..
GO ahead, post it here and because 4 of us PH winners on the event only recieve 10% DD armors from winning the GM kill Hunt event in PH last year before Rohan PH CLosure and not more than that if you have one of those that has 11% DD im sure its not a legit ( and probably it is an edited or hacked) and all DD parts should be a Glacial Split armors like my DD set attached below (im expecting more QQ babies to GM after seeing this) LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by shawnc1186ishere
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...s%20please.jpg
I post my items to prove that my DD parts are not came from hacks or dupes, this was included in migration of our character and as a conditon according to late GM Atzigan and to tell you that theres no such thing of 4 of us PH champions would sell our DD parts to anyone to preserve only to US and since GM's nowadays started to banning our accounts without a reason, theres no more reason us to continue playing RBF so we decided to freeze our characters so that you could only seeing Cherish and you only probably making challenge or be problematic only to Cherish rather to us and no ONE will abuse the power of our DD armors into a wrong foreign hands who abused, bullying weaker players and feeler player who keeps telling everyone to proclaimed HIM/HER self like so called "Strongest player in this server etc. . etc." because we believe that have a greater power comes wth great responsibilities rather than abusing your greatness to weaker characters instead of helping themQuote:
Originally Posted by crussandra
If what u says is true, its completely retarded that GM ban these PH champions and not Cherish, because all know that Cherish isnt the winner of that event and it was Lyss4 or her husband that used to own these parts before (over 1 or 2 years, maybe more if he won the event ? but idk who won it at all), and they rmt'ed it to Cherish & Celese when they pseudo-quitted (as I heard Lucas play Tickle now ?)Quote:
Originally Posted by crussandra
For my opinion :
Cap DD and only DD (not crit dd with lion or buffs counted into this) on classes :
Guardian : make order swing only works with dagger or sword, so more axes users as it should be / max 90%
Defender : max 90%
Temp : 75%
Priest : 75%
Wizz : 75%
Warlock : 75%
Giants (Bz & Savages) : 85%
Ranger : 75%
Scout : 75%
Dhan : 75%
Dhan : 75%
Rumirs : 85%
Noirs : 80%
then, no more abuses
No abuses? it will be again abuse of templar, he can kill anything, his reg hits on 90% DD char are way higher than a guard on anything with 70% DD. Why are axes the only ones which are 8x DD? because otherwise it is a completely useless weapon which is not used by any race in the game. What would a defender use club or axe if the dd is the same? hard question huh? 100DD humans sacrifice Power for survivability. why there are tanks in the game at all at this point if they can be dropped 1 v 1 and cant kill **** on the other side of a stick? So what do we do with our axes? tell me because i have a feeling that you know :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylfaen
Transmute? I don't play noir, use it nevertheless on a human? But i already have club and sword, if the DD will be capped, i rather use weapons i can use op skills with. So there it is Axe, completely useless. wanna buy it from me when the DD is capped? i'll sell it to you for 25k rp.
I have a preposition - Let's vote vor chars who have elemental skills (darkness/divinity/blazing/frozen) to have an option to choose Invenom. Humans will be able to kill smth at least with elemental (invenom) dmg.
Templars without scrolls hit like 3-4k on 70-74dd so axes add 10% for axes and another 10% for second hand, dont think its abusedQuote:
Originally Posted by Demonic6000
Did u see how ppl use defender ? just as buffer, not even dn'ing anymore anyway, so who cares, its just a pet that is left in the middle of the pvp and noone touch cause it just emp and shelter one the priest is focus...
On hold time it was used for templars doesnt get debuff between reflect, times have changes, but i dont think the function of these defenders are to be a pet that never dies cause they never "fight" anyhow, so dont even think your argument is even valid because, at all 90% dd still better than 84, plus u can add fox healing, obli, lion for crit drop
So dont talk about abuse when defender are just actually pets that u dont even need to feed
Yup thats what i see all the time in PA def being immortal and doing nothing other than EMP and shelter sometimes. Guards are the ones actually doing something with those axes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylfaen
Yep surely capping DD will enable these pets to participate more, because cmon we all know dhans, dekans, noirs can't kill immortal defender/guardian. Still no answer were do we use axes after we already have them the way they are, and we purchased them with a particular reason? Every class must have some natural enemy, but i guess few classes just remain OP, because too many pipsqueaks cry about every damn thing when their supposed to be strongest char cant kill something. Who of you plays human? Have you tried to kill templar or dk, or noir these days with a human? Are humans not supposed to be warriors (well you know brute force, great hp/pdf), but why are they what they are now? What remains is low-dmg (if you want some dmg you gotta stunlock a person and do a steadily growing dmg from freaking nothing). Why is it that few chars can push 1 button and its a 50%hp off (dk/noir) or whack you few times, but the dmg the deal is max from a get-go? or why Dhans dun need anything except for Invenom, which rapes da crap out of anything (+it gets os+parry rate+hide+silence+pouch). So how are guardians/defs actually so over the top that people QQ abt 100DD? Want for humans to be just sz buffers and the least played race there is? Because 100DD is the only thing that somehow evens the chars. Human is one of the least suitable chars for pvp, he has nothing to offer except for 2 stuns (if you cant drop a person in those 2 stuns ur screwed w/e race ur up against, well except for priests/wizards)
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Originally Posted by Sylfaen
LOL exactly they shouldn't be pets no more, running around templar or smth, consta dning. They can be good stunner when it counts, drain mana, go str builds and participate a bit more in pvp. I like that unscrolled templar stuff btw. Human does that dmg buffed and scrolled on templar. And now scroll templar, buff him up, doubledips, elemental resistance, dmg is way better on a guard than guard gives in return. So you are saying humans should go back to being punching bag for every race huh? yes, i already forgot how many guardians we saw at ruler fights , there were so many of them, like 1 or 0. sure there were defenders and they were using 1 skill more which is DN, but fact still stand they were only a pet, not a DmgDealer already then.
And do we have a deal, you are buying my Axe for 25k rp, afterDD cap is established ok? And basically what you said, you need a pretty much zerg to kill 1 templar if you are playing human.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZeHq7J9aHMQuote:
Originally Posted by RBNXD
There is a solution: KILL IT! You play a Noir and a predator (your sig), how can you state that they are immortal? there are minimum 5 jobs that can kill 100DD human (there are multiple players playing one or the other of these jobs), So you can kill them, it is not always about you, you know.
And clearly you both talk because you want some action from human race, and not because your chars are doing 0s and you can't do anything to them so it's easier to ask for GM's to nerf the DD for them. Because let's be clear it is all about nerfing the human race, no-other race will suffer from this capping.
While you are at it, why don't you ask for GMs to Nerf Human dmg, because it is the scariest thing in all of Rohan.
About time to implement 10% DD cap on Templars or 900% Attack talismans for non-OP real DPS classes before the update with wrecking skills arrives and breaks the broken game into a bit smaller pieces.
Lol dude chill i know how the game works im not complaining that humans have 100%DD and both the chars i play can ignore DD no big deal there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demonic6000
I do want Humans with 100% DD they are not the problem its the Templars or any other race with DD armor pieces. If it was me i would like to suggest bringing back the 50% off hand stat on daggers, but hey that's just me.
My hate is on Templars but shhh dont tell anyone ><
And do you think this poll is about DD armor pieces? It is about weapon DD otherwise there would be no thread in the first place if there are only 4 ppl with DD armors. Anyways yeah, 50% offhand was nice. but at that time it was ok to reduce it to 30% because i think at that time we didnt really have heroic skills (if i remember correctly), but after hero patch humans became too weak (hero+stun+aoe chance) and pales in comparison to other racial skills. At that time sure 100%dd humans were too OP, but now when every race gets some sort of crazy skill humans gotta step up DD wise once again. I mean we already once had stat reduction for humans who dualwield, from 50% to 30%. Now after hero Patch upgrades again let humans to reach 100DD i don't think GMs didn't consider this, it is just the only way for them to stay competitive at least survive longer.
I do believe tho that there should be no DD stat on Armor pieces/sets/rings or w/e. that is just wrong, there are Option stones designed for weapons, and option stones designed for armors, let's keep it that way. Not even talking about them being from other server, where ppl from here couldn't even lay their hands on these armors. I mean PH can get all the gear this server offers, all the items pl have here, but is it fair that they get extra OP stuff from their old Server? i dont think so. I like how they say i won it for free for participating in event, Look mate do you know what you have to do to win an event here? well let me tell you this it is not for free. and still you get an item which is available to other players.
Alright then, solution to this "Problem"
Boost Humans off hand to 50%, replace DD armors with a compensation. Solved
Humans back in the front lines. Immune to melee and ranged damage.
KnightDreams can play a Str defender with Templars gear no more QQ in forum.
Bad solution 50% makes even sword or club + dagger go 100%
Thats the idea. Make humans play their main weapons back and they will become damage dealers again competing with Temps, Dhans, Noirs and DKs. Not just the DD is high but the damage is high to 70% + 35% = 105% CS and Fix will be scary but that's why they are fixed in a spot. Well its up to GM's what they will do so I'm just here trowing ideas. This will prob never happen but humans are more expensive than temps gear wise because they need dual weaps and shield to have full pvp power and defense. We don't see humans killing in mass pvp at least it's an incentive to that race. If BM gets the fix it needs maybe then this other boosts can be lowered accordingly. To bad I'm not GM, i have great ideas to fix and balance stuff here. :(
so again axe buyers can suck on Popsicle cus axes lose their purpose
purpose to have 100% dd ? if they nerf offhand at 10% ur axes still would have 80ish % but u would cry same because no point to use dagger...Quote:
Originally Posted by Demonic6000
I mean what I suggest at least make sense, classes that are damage dealer cant excess an amount of dd and tanks would still have more, but they no more immortal as now...
At least suggest something with sense instead crying for nothing
how is this still going -_-;
Nerfing DD is not cool. many folks spent hundreds of US $ on this game to make 100% DD weapons because PWI created 8x DD axes with the full knowledge that dual-wielding classes can and WILL make weapon sets capable of 100% DD. They are not stupid. They knew exactly what they were doing. This was not a screw up. It was a thought out and planned decision on their part. Let's face it - axes on humans are pretty much useless since there really are no skills at all that leverage it. So what else is it good for? Full DD!
PWI turning around and nerfing them would be like kicking those people in the jewels and makes their axes good for nothing but transmuting to a Noir/Rumir (in essence locking it to a toon thjat can never be sold).
If they cap DD, they had better be thinking about how they intend to compensate those that spent all that moneh creating these 100% DD weapon sets. Since I own one such set, I vote for +18 SDV rings, or +12 rulers / beze eyes.
Axe loose its purpose but Sword and Mace gain their purpose so its actually a good idea. Still Axe was more of a Trinity weapon rather than a Human maybe even for Giants. Other than that 8x% DD on those weapons are OP for any class that can use it. You should rather ditch that Axe (sell it on EM ofc) then getting a Mace (Def) or Sword (Guard) and use your class as it should but looks like you guys like running around playing like immortal Templars just hitting stuff till it dies. I gave you a solution (Boosted Human's with their class weapon) and still there's a problem with it then don't take it simple as that lets better not do anything and let game as it is. There's a simple solution to everything if we keep debating, this is bad cause X and Y or this is too Op because Z and W we will never get anything done. Last time i checked Axes was a weapon of choice for humans not a must. No offence to Axe buyers but you guys took the risk and accepted it. Its like Templar players gearing temps to its max never knowing when that nerf comes if it does ofc(still hoping it never comes).
It seems thats what Atzigan did in the past we raged/debated and all in forum and never got to a simple solution to stuff and he just followed his boss wishes and done. Congrats
Compensation is always a fix to a nerf and they wont loose too much its just a bunch of pixels they will give away. Maybe even change said Axe for a max DD (75%?) Sword or Mace with that 50% off hand boost it will fix everything and keeping the 100% DD set.Quote:
Originally Posted by GodsRage
No, there was no real risk other than crappy dd rolls. The game allows 100% DD weapons to be created. When the parts for those axes were sold, Atzigan had said there was no plan to cap DD no matter how much strellan argued for it. At the time of sale there was no risk whatsoever of nerfing DD. The only real risk is the same risk anybody takes forging Upgrade weapons - getting crappy rolls.
Temp owners don't like 100% DD because temps are one of the classes that can't kill someone with 100% dd (Aw Boo Hoo! sux to be a temp!). Temp owners HERE are used to playing a game where there is nothing they can't kill. Well there is now and they are all crying in their beer. Just create a dhan, dekan or a noir and 100% DD stops being a problem. Simple solution.
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I would be fine if the changed the type of weapon from an axe to a club (defender) /sword (guard) as long as they left the other stats alone. My axe is seriously badass beyond the dd spec. But they better be boosting the offhand stats to 50% rather than 33%. I doubt they will go that route though.
I cant vote. Oh lol now I can. HAHAHAHA
What reason there is to change the dd? just because a QQing templar spender says? at the whim of someone? this Thread is because KnigthDreams cant kill Cherish, Why no remove too all boss drop boosted secretly for Atzigan in JIN compensation? it was a illegal support abuse and would be removed, no DD nerfed. End of history
I think iof DD gets nerfed here, those are the magic words that made it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinko
That, is the best soluce Ive readQuote:
Originally Posted by GodsRage
It doesnt surprise me that this thread got derailed by people who all have ulterior motives. Its funny that some ppl seem to think that dual wield with axe is viable in any way/shape/form besides being a big crybaby who wants to spit on any dps that doesnt have the magical idontcareaboutyourdd button or invenom (which has buggy interactions with SD).
Anyways mark is a stubborn old man who is usually reasonable but for some reason 100% dd chars are something he supports I have no clue do ppl actually have a problem staying alive anymore?
Lets start by pointing out all good pvpers have a health recovery rate of 20k per second (100k every 10 seconds a la td and 100k every 20 seconds a la holywine).
Since templars are such a big deal these days you are telling me you dont have one in your party with group euhphoria? (boost to health recovery anywhere from 10k/s to 50k/s depending if there are mobs around/lvl of equality/attack speed)
Health recovery is not everything lets talk about health pools.... when players like godlyke are breaking the 400k mark and my "above average" templah had 250k hp we can see the STANDARD pvper should have over 150k hp. But that should be even higher since I didnt play a temp when that lumir vit buff came out so who knows maybe u should have 200k hp to be "average".
Now I know 72% dd was rough when those high damage temps came my way (jamz/adam/godlyke etc.) but you dont have 72% dd you have 92% (the proposed cap) thats like hitting alias (actually that is exactly like hitting alias) who could spam sit tank 3 templars at once.
So with that in mind lets think again about why you need 100% dd and ill get another reading from my bull**** radar because it sounds to me like ppl support 100% dd because they can 1/2 ass on all the other gear and survive 90% of pvp scenarios. If that is the case maybe playwith should look into some way to help 1/2 ass chars gear up instead of hurting pvp by letting ppl run around with 100% dd.
This y people come play rohan n quit cuz people tat on fourm QQ to much on stupid **** ............................all u people can blame is only YNK GM for bring PH people to our server.................
Don't worry bro 3 of us PH who have dd parts already freezing our characters, we stop playing RBF already so you may focus only to CHerish and minimizes QQ babies around we're done proving our Arsenal to those unstoppable QQ babies to our GM's :PQuote:
Originally Posted by DuelistBlad3r
Before you said "4 of us PH" -->Quote:
Originally Posted by crussandra
Right now why only 3 left?Quote:
Originally Posted by crussandra
Where another one?
AFAIK one of our champ player named Elijah still actively playing RBF. . . .but not 100% sure since im not logging my character since last 1 and 1/2 months ago, im trying to ask Elijah and he confirms that if he's bored or not busy, he logging his Temp but according to him its only when he wants to farming, collecting stuffs etc. he then avoiding any PVP's coz he knew that almost players he encountered cries out loud to GM's against his DD parts. only here in foreign countires I encountered players QQ about our stuffs, in the PH, even a player does have 100% futile costume, we manage to kill 1 vs 1 (we never QQ to our GMS) coz we are using our strategies to kill it or even a 100% DD character if your research our videos like GWxRaiguru, he can kill a 98% DD player even his damage only arounf 4K damages, you will notice there why and how that happened, PH people becomes wiser when a tougher enemy comes around, they looking to its weak points rather QQ-ing the GM's even me if you see my videos, you see a 90% DD dekan I encountered 1 v 1 I can still kill him in a wiser tactical way imagine a 90% Dekan with a huge HP (if you imagine it its impossible to kill but if you observe my video carefully you will observe its weakness) that thing I used to kill a 90% DD dekan even. If I encountering 100% DD targets, I online my Agi Dhan to kill it (my Dhan not focusing to pure attach but to its AGI which boosts it Elemental Damages very deadly than str build in terms of poison damage) so even they have 100% DD I manage to kill and opposing their builds instead QQ to our GM'sQuote:
Originally Posted by NoobDealer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAoAJs4jUbU
(see below one of my comrad killing a 96% DD templar, his damages cost only 2.6K but because of his tactical strategies Temp's 96% DD got GG only one thing a human can kill a 90% temp even debuffed, Crit + Brain tactics = GG 90%DD) and that's what im talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNKxKEACxbQ
heres another more, imagine a 2 wielded human with also a 80+ DD parts + dual weapon with DD but still I can kill him because Im not just focusing in pure attacks but "BRAIN", if you have a brain to kill it not just focusing on attack and sacrificing much other strategies. anyone can do killing a 90% DD player targets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_nzA6WMdX0
last is I can also kill a 90% DD Templar and even more upgraded weapons than mine (with this I can kill Cherish in 1 n 1 disabling his FOX assistance which is my key to GG Cherish in that case I will only use cherish my WOC mace which deals 4 times more damage than to a +18 Opaniel mace with even 50% attack stones etc but it seems I wont do that because I already know cherish attitude when I push to complete my temp's power here in RBF or he will QQ im sure suing me as hacker etc and seem they already know my character's arsenal if I purchase +18 feathers and some +12 eyewear if I continue playing RBF), Chinee has more advanced champ mace than mine and we are both geared with 90+ DD parts but as I Told you, Im not just focusing on attack but im using my tactical arsenal BRAIN to GG her DD ( you will observe here why I shifting my 2 mace as fast as possible which is the key to kill her w/ a 90% DD LOL)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVHhdXqdw-Y
Thanks for information.Quote:
Originally Posted by crussandra
Btw... here (RBF) who QQ about DD i see only MrQQ opp sorry i mean MrIceyy2 opp sorry again i mean MrKnightDreams :)
LOOOOOOOOOL this guys talk a lot sh1t, why u posting PH videos? Its IRohan no nab ph serverQuote:
Originally Posted by crussandra
Don't you have ulterior motives yourself now? Don't you cry because you can't kill human with your templar? Tell me yourself why DD should be nerfed? So that anyone can kill humans again? so that PPL who purchased axes can again suck on it? Humans have not that great skills which would help them in pvp much, im Telling you if you cant kill a person under rush, it will get ugly. Your point is that human race should just be little retards who run around like headless chicken with only few objectives: gotta get debuffed, gotta get killed, gotta use as much pots as possible ... Stun smb .... what now .... errrr.... emergency exit. Because this is what they will be, if it is a 100DD we at least can stand our ground and try to do smth, because temp won't have an uber upper hand over human no more. Give Humans a chance for a fight!Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnyangel