Agi Dhan - Why is it the only class that got left behind?

For the haters:
I know writing this is probably useless and nothing will change but I can't help to wonder why its organised like this..... Agi dhan was my first class when I came to Rohan many years ago and I still love them

For starters there are no Psy/Agi Onyx armour sets but except for that, agi dhans buffs are even worse....I just wonder why they never got improved?


Dex buffs:
Nimble 30%
Alacrity Blow: 25%
Quickness: 40%
Almighty: 25%
Almighty scroll: 30%
(Invoke 25% for dex guard)

So any class can boost dex by: 150% (175% for dex guard)

Str buffs:
Rising might 30%
Crazy strength: 35%
Almighty 25%
Almighty scroll: 30%
(Deadly Blow 20% internal buff str dhan)
(40% internal buff Noir (if im correct))

So any class can boost str by: 120% (140% for str dhans) (160% Noir)

Int buffs:
Not going to summ this up, most intel classes use temp buffs + internal buffs that will increase their magic attack greatly (like int dekans) + most played intel class is temp from which we all know its OP...

I do want to add warlock hasn't got the greatest damage(because the lack of buffs) but then again they can snatch buffs and get alof of melee or magic attack (depending on their build) depending on what they snatch.

Psy buffs:(updated with the new class)
Almighty 25%
Blessed Crown 40% (party buff Rumir)
GMB 25% (party buff priest)
Almighty Scroll 30%
Templar psy buff: 25%

So any class can boost psy by(you have to party a priest + rumir tho): 135%

Vit Buffs:
Almighty: 25%
Mareas Grace: 25% (Party buff priest)
Almighty Scroll: 30%
Sequoias Favor: 40%
(Eternal Vit Defender 50%)

So any class can boost vit by (you have to party a priest tho): 120%(170% for defenders)

Agi buffs:
Avoid: 21%
Almighty 25%
Almighty Scroll: 30%

So any class can boost agi by : 76% (which is mainly because of the all stats buffs)


Why is it only 76% versus all other stats who can be buffed 120% or more.

The advantage DEX, STR, INT have as well is that they give RA,ME,MA too which can be boosted in % by internal buffs or external buffs which are given to the player. Which increases your damage output...

Now I know that Accuracy(from dex) and Evasion(from agi) ONCE were balanced so agi dhans with good agi couldn't be hit much but that is a LONG time ago, since like forever this balance is messed up and once you have like 300-400 accuracy (thats like 300 dex) youll not miss your opponent alot even if their agi is high as F*. so Evasion is utterly useless and it doesnt increase agi dhans critical damage either.


I'd simply suggest to make Avoid better:

lvl 1 5% agi
lvl 2 10% agi
lvl 3 15% agi
lvl 4 20% agi
lvl 5 25% agi
lvl 6 30% agi
lvl 7 40% agi

Archers have a buff for evasion....this is useless, if its changed to Agi too and made like this:

lvl 1 2% agi
lvl 2 4% agi
lvl 3 8% agi
lvl 4 10% agi
lvl 5 15% agi
lvl 6 20% agi
lvl 7 30% agi

This results in a total buffrate of 125%, this would be balanced even tho there still arent Onyx armour with agi on them....

It's left behind because it's not needed. Let's look back in the days of 2008-09. Let's say you have a Dex Guardian and an Agi Dhan with this gear:
4x 51s= 204
Ears and Eyes= + 76
R5 Talisman = +15
Gold Trophy = +40
Costume and Hat = +30
5x Ancient Weapon = +170 Dex/Agi
+30 base dex/agi
+ 548 stat points =
1113 Base Agi/Dex
With Level 7 Alm, Old Nimble, Alacrity, Quickness, Invoke, 20% Alm Scroll, and Arcane, the Dex Guard has a 166% boost, giving him 2960 Dex. Level 7 Invoke is 5.30x your Dex. The Dex Guard will deal 15.6k + ... let's say 4k with Darkness. In PvP on no DD, this is 5290+ 1300.

With Level 7 Alm, Level 7 Avoid, 20% Alm Scroll, and Arcane, the Dhan gets a 76% boost, giving him 1958 Agi. DB is 530% of your Agility. 5.3 x 1958 is 10300. Mortal Rising gives a 35-40% boost. If it's 35%, the critical damage is boosted to 14015, + 7k with Invenom. In pvp on no DD this is 4600+ 2300

In this case, the Dex Guard does 6.5k total.
The Dhan is dealing 6.6k Total. The Agi Dhan crits HARDER. There's one thing we left out though. The Critical Blow Scroll. Agi Dhans don't get a boost from this, but Dex Guardians do. This makes the Dex Guardians' crits just a little bit stronger than the Dhan's crits. But at what cost?:

The Dex Guardian is relying on 3 extra buffs, which can be debuffed, to reach its potential. The Dhan only needs Almighty. .........................


................It doesn't matter in the end, though. Why? Because of Pure Attack. Back in the early days, it was worth it to use an Agi Dhan or a Dex Guardian. A Fully buffed Str Dhan wasn't always able to 1-shot everything. It was possible for an Agi Dhan to kill a Str Guardian or Defender more efficiently than a Str Dhan could. When it came to killing Vit Dekans, Agi Dhans were often better. These days it doesn't matter. Pdef and Mdef barely matters anymore. When you compare today to 2008, these times it's like you took off everybody's armor, then cast Shout on them.

You obv never played an agi dhan with the current gear because they are OP when the cards line up. Obv agi dhans suffer from 2 problems 1 being invenom bug (interaction with SD making it so you cant crit) and the 2nd being crit class requires high crit loses DD.


Many people are saying agi dhans have been left behind and its mainly because the new gear favors attack force classes over crit boosts. However agi dhans are still fine when you can crit WITH invenom.

You guys forgot Invenom. Cant be resisted with normal armor only with SD armor and the difference between Crit rate and Elemental damage weapons. You forgot Eternal Vitality from Defenders that's 50% more vit.

I do think working some how in a balance where accuracy and evasion do matter in pvp. DEX is over powered as hell and AGI is just ignored for some reason.

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Originally Posted by bloodybladez3

It's left behind because it's not needed. Let's look back in the days of 2008-09. Let's say you have a Dex Guardian and an Agi Dhan with this gear:
4x 51s= 204
Ears and Eyes= + 76
R5 Talisman = +15
Gold Trophy = +40
Costume and Hat = +30
5x Ancient Weapon = +170 Dex/Agi
+30 base dex/agi
+ 548 stat points =
1113 Base Agi/Dex
With Level 7 Alm, Old Nimble, Alacrity, Quickness, Invoke, 20% Alm Scroll, and Arcane, the Dex Guard has a 166% boost, giving him 2960 Dex. Level 7 Invoke is 5.30x your Dex. The Dex Guard will deal 15.6k + ... let's say 4k with Darkness. In PvP on no DD, this is 5290+ 1300.

With Level 7 Alm, Level 7 Avoid, 20% Alm Scroll, and Arcane, the Dhan gets a 76% boost, giving him 1958 Agi. DB is 530% of your Agility. 5.3 x 1958 is 10300. Mortal Rising gives a 35-40% boost. If it's 35%, the critical damage is boosted to 14015, + 7k with Invenom. In pvp on no DD this is 4600+ 2300

In this case, the Dex Guard does 6.5k total.
The Dhan is dealing 6.6k Total. The Agi Dhan crits HARDER. There's one thing we left out though. The Critical Blow Scroll. Agi Dhans don't get a boost from this, but Dex Guardians do. This makes the Dex Guardians' crits just a little bit stronger than the Dhan's crits. But at what cost?:

The Dex Guardian is relying on 3 extra buffs, which can be debuffed, to reach its potential. The Dhan only needs Almighty. .........................


................It doesn't matter in the end, though. Why? Because of Pure Attack. Back in the early days, it was worth it to use an Agi Dhan or a Dex Guardian. A Fully buffed Str Dhan wasn't always able to 1-shot everything. It was possible for an Agi Dhan to kill a Str Guardian or Defender more efficiently than a Str Dhan could. When it came to killing Vit Dekans, Agi Dhans were often better. These days it doesn't matter. Pdef and Mdef barely matters anymore. When you compare today to 2008, these times it's like you took off everybody's armor, then cast Shout on them.

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You can and can't compare agi dhans and dex guards. I know in the end their crit damage WAS about the same althrough Guard can use OS+CS combo which makes them hit verry hard(better than SA). I know how strong they can be because i have one myself...... see the video below of my dex guard lol (no upg wep, no upg rings, no scrolls, buffs lvl 6/7)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHjycARTH-w

CURRENTLY your calculation isn't worth much because of the Onyx armour given out for dex/str/int which gives dex guards an easy 500-600 dex (unbuffed)(ofc the dex buffs are 175% so that results in alot of extra dex), combine that with the cirtical blow scroll that increases crit damage and the OS+CS combo.......Dex guards will crit alot more, specially if you set it out on damage per time unit.....

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Originally Posted by sunnyangel

You obv never played an agi dhan with the current gear because they are OP when the cards line up. Obv agi dhans suffer from 2 problems 1 being invenom bug (interaction with SD making it so you cant crit) and the 2nd being crit class requires high crit loses DD.


Many people are saying agi dhans have been left behind and its mainly because the new gear favors attack force classes over crit boosts. However agi dhans are still fine when you can crit WITH invenom.

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You keep talking as if Agi Dhans are diamonds in the rough, but I just can't see how Agi Dhans, Psy Wizards, or Dex Guardians can be anything more than novelty characters these days. Anything an Agi Dhan can do, a Str Dhan should be able to do better. I wanna see some video proof of how powerful your Agi Dhan is in actual pvp. If you don't want your name to be shown, just blur it out in the options menu.

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Originally Posted by RBNXD

You guys forgot Invenom. Cant be resisted with normal armor only with SD armor and the difference between Crit rate and Elemental damage weapons. You forgot Eternal Vitality from Defenders that's 50% more vit.

I do think working some how in a balance where accuracy and evasion do matter in pvp. DEX is over powered as hell and AGI is just ignored for some reason.

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Thank you, ill add the defenders 50% vit buff to the list :)

and yea i dont know how Evasion/Accuracy works but it seems broken to me

as for RBNXD and sunnyangel,

Yes agi dhans Invenom is good, it scales with SA and scales well in pvp. Tho agi dhans still rely on ''chance'' they dont have true burst damage, their only skill that gives a 100% output is ''Duplication'' which only does 100% dmg crit +50% dmg crit (WITHOUT invenom) so basically its the same as a normal crit with invenom....probably even less than that...

Dhans are made to be killers in pvp (they cant farm or grind for **** and people dont like them in their party), Str dhans have amazing burst and scale really insane with SA.

I do agree partly when you buy the new 4x upg katar with lets say 24% crit and 70% dd you have a pretty good critrate (especially if you have 4x upg rings +18 as well another 12% crit) but then again, if you spend the same ammount of money on a str dhan. templar, vit dekan or the new class they will be way better.....I'm not suggesting to make agi dhans better than those classes but since your basic agility is way lower than lets say STR/INT/DEX AND their buffs are also low, why not increase them and make them better, also when you dont have MAX gear...

Invenom's Damage doesn't increase with damage with SA, at least not in this video.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEc2SXExj1E

Until you prove it to us otherwise, Iceyy, Agi Dhans are just novelty characters. It's like a bodyguard choosing to carry an MP40 when he has the option to carry an MP7.

I've been thinking for some time if Evade the evasion buff on the Archer tree was like 50% DEX to Evasion and Evasion boost maybe it could help both AGI dhans and Scouts from melee atks on PvP and PvE. But if Evasion\Accuracy is as sunnyangel said then there is no point in boosting it, even Templars accuracy is fked up from BM.